Foster, Robertson etc

Chris

@Damo said in Foster:

If the All Blacks lose tonight then Foster is out right?

Is that a given, or is there room for doubt?

Nah he is there until the WC.

KiwiMurph

Premium article but cripes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tmurphyNZ/status/1565833125204090880

Crazy Horse

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

Premium article but cripes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tmurphyNZ/status/1565833125204090880

It's all been said before but this is astounding if true. Retaining an unsuccessful coach based on one win is as stupid as sacking a successful coach based on one loss. Not to mention the alleged fucking Robertson around.

junior

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

@junior said in Foster:

@Machpants said in Foster:

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

@Machpants said in Foster:

He's such a nice guy, don't fear losing, or your position on the team, I guess

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/if-you-play-under-fear-then-you-restrict-your-options/

Did you link to the right article?

In the one you posted, the "fear" Foster is talking about fear of losing/things going wrong during the game and how it's cramping the team's on-field play. Actually made sense to me.

Yeah fear of losing is what has made the ABs have such high standards over many years, McCaw, Fitzpatrick, etc all talked about the fear of losing is what pushed their excellence. Now it's too scarey so they lose?

I hate how the fear of failure is now seen as something that can only impact a person negatively - this does not need to be the case.
Guys like Fitzy have talked about the fear of failure being a massive motivating factor, the kind of thing that can push you to do extra on and off the pitch in order to win.

True and a good point. But fear of failure combined with a loss of confidence (team or individual) is hugely corrosive as it can become self-fulfilling. Fitzy and co. led teams which had confidence in their ability to win from bad situations - this team hasn't.

It absolutely does my nut in to hear professional athletes playing in one of the most successful teams in history talking about the fear of failure as if it can only be something that inhibits them. Again, this does not need to be the case.

Sadly, in this case I think it is. When you've lost Test after Test and can't bounce back much, you try new things and they don't work out, criticism is coming in from all sides and you keep being told you've soiled the legacy, that makes using the risk of failure as a motivation is pretty damn hard.

I am sure everyone here has at some time or another their life been motivated to work harder or smarter at something by the fear of failing at it. Personally, not ending up a failed loser in life has been a massive motivating factor in pushing myself in my studies, work, and even on the golf course!

Team dynamics are really weird though as the things you mention are controlled collectively and not individually. It can take a little spark to turn things around, or a small error can cause a collective brain-fart.

I don't disagree that a fear of failure can be crippling for a team or individual struggling with confidence in the way this team is. My gripe is more with the apparent dispensing with the fear of failure when things were going reasonably well for the team. One can't help but think that, along with myriad other factors - such as the lack of talent, leadership etc - the lack of that fear of failure has contributed to the decline. IMO, that fear can and should be harnessed by successful teams and individuals to ensure that such declines don't happen. Lots of talk recently of accepting mediocrity in NZ rugby and I can't help but think that the apparent lack of the fear of failure has contributed to that.

nostrildamus

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

Premium article but cripes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tmurphyNZ/status/1565833125204090880

named exec? Edit: Ok I'll try to listen but one of them grates.

nostrildamus

not sure the NZR are great on transparency or competence.
If the ABs don't make at least the RWC QF I hope the whole board resign.

Damo

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

not sure the NZR are great on transparency or competence.
If the ABs don't make at least the RWC QF I hope the whole board resign.

Have we sunk so low that just making it out of the pool will be considered an achievement?

nostrildamus

@Damo said in Foster:

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

not sure the NZR are great on transparency or competence.
If the ABs don't make at least the RWC QF I hope the whole board resign.

Have we sunk so low that just making it out of the pool will be considered an achievement?

To get to QF after winning 2/8 games? I am afraid so.

Crucial

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

@Damo said in Foster:

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

not sure the NZR are great on transparency or competence.
If the ABs don't make at least the RWC QF I hope the whole board resign.

Have we sunk so low that just making it out of the pool will be considered an achievement?

To get to QF after winning 2/8 games? I am afraid so.

Quarters isn't a problem, semis is.
4 of the top 5 teams are fighting for 2 spots.
If we don't make the semis we won't be the only good team that doesn't.

WR have had their dumb pool draw system really come in to roost this time.

Machpants

@Crucial said in Foster:

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

@Damo said in Foster:

@nostrildamus said in Foster:

not sure the NZR are great on transparency or competence.
If the ABs don't make at least the RWC QF I hope the whole board resign.

Have we sunk so low that just making it out of the pool will be considered an achievement?

To get to QF after winning 2/8 games? I am afraid so.

Quarters isn't a problem, semis is.
4 of the top 5 teams are fighting for 2 spots.
If we don't make the semis we won't be the only good team that doesn't.

WR have had their dumb pool draw system really come in to roost this time.

Don't worry, after tonights game it will only be 3 of the top 5 teams

taniwharugby

@KiwiMurph this obviously isnt news as was touted here a couple of weeks back...

Machpants

@taniwharugby said in Foster:

@KiwiMurph this obviously isnt news as was touted here a couple of weeks back...

Press obviously skipped a few posts on the thread, but looked back later

taniwharugby

@Machpants better late than never.

Machpants

@taniwharugby said in Foster:

@Machpants better late than never.

Like the fact they are now not blowing smoke up Foster's arse

mariner4life

Did cheika throw that game too you looney conspiracy theorists??

antipodean

@KiwiMurph said in Foster:

Premium article but cripes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tmurphyNZ/status/1565833125204090880

I'll believe it when Gifford comes out and names his source.

Machpants

@mariner4life said in Foster:

Did cheika throw that game too you looney conspiracy theorists??

Flat track bullies bro, arg were shit.

Still enjoyed the game

Victor Meldrew

@mariner4life said in Foster:

Did cheika throw that game too you looney conspiracy theorists??

The opposition are always shite when the ABs win. It's a totally new phenomenon which was only discovered when Foster was appointed coach.

Paekakboyz

@antipodean it's a ferner. 100%

nostrildamus

@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

@mariner4life said in Foster:

Did cheika throw that game too you looney conspiracy theorists??

The opposition are always shite when the ABs win. It's a totally new phenomenon which was only discovered when Foster was appointed coach.

Nope I recall us playing England a few decades ago when they toured they were definitely shite.

The Silver Fern

Foster, Robertson etc