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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="590394" data-time="1466556882"><p>That would be a great end to the season. But possibly a bit early? I am still trying to think about where the final battle will take place. <br>
I would guess that the south will be ravages and subdued by Daenerys and the North will be the battle field for the White Walkers.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="590404" data-time="1466559141"><p>There are two seasons left right? The Wall will have to stay up a bit longer I think. When that baby falls, the Others will march right on through.<br><br>
To be honest I really don't care about all that white walker stuff and black magic. To me the awesome thing about the story is the various players and battles between the different houses in Westeros. But unfortunately the undead will probably be the most important thing about the series going forward.</p></blockquote>
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<p>so this wall....does it extend out into the sea? Why cant the walkers simply get through some of the poorly manned Watch Castles or can they get round one of the ends? Was the wall created to keep them out, or the Wildlings, given the latter surely could make boats and get round it?</p>
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<p>There's a lot to be said for a despicable bad guy <em>who has personality. </em>Star Wars, the better Bond flicks, Die Hard, Hannibal Lecter, Tintin ( books ) to name a few all got by on having a good bad guy you love to hate. Now Ramsay is gone we have the frightening White Walker leader whose personality leaves me as cold as the place he lives in. I suppose Predator and Aliens did well despite having ruthless killing machines with no personality so you get the feeling if the houses unite to face whatever the fuck comes over the wall the general tone of the show might change somewhat. Whatever differences everyone has they're all still human and actually alive after all......</p>
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<p>As an aside do any nerds want to guess how big Westeros actually is ? ie is a jaunt in the saddle from Kings Landing to Winterfell the equivalent of me going to Napier from Wellington or am I completely wrong ? Given its similarity to Britain on the map I suspect it's about that sort of size.</p> -
Does matter how big it is? These guys apparently have jetpacks or teleportation devices. I'd put good money on Ayra showing up in the Riverlands in the next episode.
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<p>Does matter how big it is? These guys apparently have jetpacks or teleportation devices. I'd put good money on Ayra showing up in the Riverlands in the next episode.</p>
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<p>Come on Rancid, serious answers only. I want some sense of realism in a land populated by Dragons, Giants, Undead and hot chicks with perky tits and inexplicably trimmed minges......</p> -
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Come on Rancid, serious answers only. I want some sense of realism in a land populated by Dragons, Giants, Undead and hot chicks with perky tits and inexplicably trimmed minges......</p></blockquote>
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Sorry what was the question again? I kind of got distracted reading the last part...<br><br>
Ah yes scale. There are a heap of maps around but I don't think they indicate distance. I reckon it has to be the size of Britain, or perhaps Germany with Austria and Switzerland. <br><br>
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<p>This is starting to remind of NTA saying Z nation wasn't a realistic enough zombie apocalypse...</p>
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<p>The travel times in GOT have never really bothered me. It took Sam months to travel what others seem to have done in days... meh.</p> -
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<p>She is a few hard years from this... and she will be boring an tell bad jokes.</p>
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<p>Meh, I'll be well dead by the time she looks like that - and I don't plan to sit around telling jokes with her, meanwhile Theon's brother is in his prime now, ugh.</p> -
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<p>This is starting to remind of NTA saying Z nation wasn't a realistic enough zombie apocalypse...</p>
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<p>The travel times in GOT have never really bothered me.<strong> It took Sam months to travel what others seem to have done in days</strong>... meh.</p>
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<p>Yeaah but fat fluffybunnies take ages to get anywhere though.....</p> -
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<p>Sorry what was the question again? I kind of got distracted reading the last part...<br><br>
Ah yes scale. There are a heap of maps around but I don't think they indicate distance. I reckon it has to be the size of Britain, or perhaps Germany with Austria and Switzerland.<br><br>
The explanation for most superfast travel seems to be that they sail. Perhaps the boats are cutting edge?</p>
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<p>Google suggests significantly bigger - people suggesting around the size of South America.</p>
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<p>Someone referencing the wall as being 100 leagues and drawing this comparison:</p>
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<p>If the Wall is really 100 leagues long, that would make the known portion of Westeros (from the southernmost tip of Dorne to the Wall, since we don't know how big the Land of Always Winter is) about 1084 leagues* long (6022 km, 3742 miles).</p>
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<p>That's roughly the same distance as from the tip of South America to the Equator Line, from Miami to Alaska, from Portugal to Afghanistan, or from the easternmost tip of Europe to the Pacific Ocean. It's one massive continent, </p>
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<p>Google suggests significantly bigger - people suggesting around the size of South America.</p>
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<p>Someone referencing the wall as being 100 leagues and drawing this comparison:</p>
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<p>Cheers. That makes the travelling speeds even more ridiculous.</p>
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<p>Cheers. That makes the travelling speeds even more ridiculous.</p>
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<p>But, I do recall reading that the fat man realised he'd stuffed up with the dimensions of the wall, so perhaps he originally meant for Westeros to be smaller, but inadvertently made it the size of South America.</p>
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<p>Quite possible, but you'd think one of the points of drawing the maps would be to help him keep himself oriented. In the first link below is someone saying GRRM himself said as big as Sth America. Second link (more interesting) - some guy has written an essay about how big it is based on his research of the texts.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/89250-how-big-is-westeros-compared-to-the-usa/'>http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/89250-how-big-is-westeros-compared-to-the-usa/</a></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.quora.com/How-big-is-Westeros-compared-to-our-world'>https://www.quora.com/How-big-is-Westeros-compared-to-our-world</a></p> -
<p>I guess the other thing is, we don't often know how much time has passed between episodes, scenes or when a player leaves for say Winterfell before they arrive at Winterfell, just that they left last episode, and now they arrive.</p>
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<p>I guess the other thing is, we don't often know how much time has passed between episodes, scenes or when a player leaves for say Winterfell before they arrive at Winterfell, just that they left last episode, and now they arrive.</p>
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<p>I mean how long was Dany away when she met up with the Dothraki hordes, hung out, killed their leader, and returned to save the day, you'd have to say min of 3 months, possibly a year?</p>
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<p>She is a few hard years from this... and she will be boring an tell bad jokes.</p>
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<p>Still a damn site better than where Yara is headed after a few hard years at sea. </p>
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<p>Still a damn site better than where Yara is headed after a few hard years at sea. </p>
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<p>Still a damn site better than where Yara is headed after a few hard years at sea. </p>
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<p>And she'll reek of fish...</p>
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<p>How the hell did the Vale army get past Moat Cailin? Ramsey should have had troops there, we have been hearing about how it is impassable for years. No army has ever taken it from the south. Brienne would have had to ride past it too on her way south to Riverrun. Like the Bolton men would just wave her through? Yeah right. Actually, the whole travel thing gives me the shits. They ride around the whole of Westeros on horses ever 10 minutes, like it is no big thing or long distance.</p>
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<p class=""><span>The answer is actually probably, “Because the show felt like writing it that way,†but Iâ€
ll try to answer it logically.</span></p>
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<p class=""><span>The reason Moat Cailin is so tough to penetrate from the south is that it forms a natural choke point that allows defenders to bottle-neck would-be invaders. Itâ€s also the only secure entry-way into the North without going through other parts of the swampy Neck. If, say, a Lannister army tried to march up the Moat Cailin causeway, itâ€d be open season on them, with the crannogmen shooting poisonous darts and otherwise making the effort a living hell. There is nothing inherently dangerous about going through Moat Cailin <i>if </i>you are on the side of the crannogmen who defend it, which they do because the Neck is their territory and because they are pro-Stark. In theory a friendly army could walk right through it from the south if they wanted, which Iâ€m guessing is what happened with the Vale knights: The crannogmen knew or figured out that the Vale knights were going north to help, and let them pass.</span></p>
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<p class=""><span>Moat Cailin itself is not usually manned, but can be during wartime. There are three towers still standing, and attacking any one of them at once leaves a force vulnerable to attacks from the other two. In the books the ironborn were able to take it <i>from the north, </i>but suffered immensely in doing so, thanks to the crannogmen. Robbâ€s plan was to get help from the crannogmen and retake Moat Cailin from the north, not the south. In the books, Moat Cailin must fall to Ramsay Bolton from the north (when Theon negotiates its surrender) before the Bolton army, including Roose, can re-enter the North. On the show, Roose himself is able to steal into the North but still must retake the castle before the rest of his force can enter. (You might ask why the crannogmen let the obviously enemy Bolton army re-enter the North; I think in the books theyâ€re letting them re-enter in order to trap them in the North later, and I think the show is just ignoring it altogether.)</span></p>
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<p class=""><span>So: The Vale knights were able to get past/through/to Moat Cailin because the crannogmen let them do so.</span></p>
