All Blacks v Argentina II
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Havali only really works when our forwards are on top or have parity.
He can’t crash his way out of trouble or relieve some pressure by getting over the gainline when we are on the back foot.
Not sure if he is the answer for the RWC pressure games But we aren’t exactly blessed in this area.
Thought Ioane played well and is starting to grow into the 13 jersey.
Jordan is very out of sorts.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Havali only really works when our forwards are on top or have parity.
He can’t crash his way out of trouble or relieve some pressure by getting over the gainline when we are on the back foot.
Not sure if he is the answer for the RWC pressure games But we aren’t exactly blessed in this area.
I've given this some thought and while the ideal is a 12 that's a Ma'a clone on steroids and HGH, the reality is it's the forwards job to provide the platform. I'll take smart over brawn (especially after I watch the Boks).
Thankfully there's encouraging signs the last three games.
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The referee approach made a huge difference tonight. Our forwards were awesome. ST Cane De Groot Ardie all huge. Thought Havili was good too. Only Caleb Clarke was sub par, making same errors as previously. Hope to see Reece in next time. Jordan not at his best but chased well.
Vastly better bench with Brodie leading the way.
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why is Bledisloe 1 on a Thursday??
AFL Finals on in Melb
Shows where rugby sits in the hierarchy over there
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Havili isn't amazing but, he just might be the guy that works as the glue between the enigmatic mounga and Ioane
Rugby isn't the 15 best players. It's the 15 players who work best as a team.
Which, on recent evidence, is why Frizzell fry should be the 6. We need these glue guys to allow others to do their thing
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Havili isn't amazing but, he just might be the guy that works as the glue between the enigmatic mounga and Ioane
I thought Havilli was excellent tonight. Rock-solid all-round performance
Which, on recent evidence, is why Frizzell fry should be the 6. We need these glue guys to allow others to do their thing
In the last few games the likes of Scooter & Frizzell have quietly got stuck in and done the hard yards. Not spectacular and not always winners but working to provide a really solid foundation.
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@Machpants They have a brand new stadium in Sydney yet they accept a Thursday night slot in AFL-mad Melbourne as part of their never-ending delusion of turning rugby into a national sport
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants They have a brand new stadium in Sydney yet they accept a Thursday night slot in AFL-mad Melbourne as part of their never-ending delusion of turning rugby into a national sport
NRL finals too….
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants They have a brand new stadium in Sydney yet they accept a Thursday night slot in AFL-mad Melbourne as part of their never-ending delusion of turning rugby into a national sport
NRL finals too….
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Think tonight I see @MiketheSnow view point on Richie M.
Still better than BB for me but he had a poor decison making test.
RM thinks he’s Michael Jordan
The sooner he realises he’s Scottie Pippen the quicker NZ regain their Best in the World mantle
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Think tonight I see @MiketheSnow view point on Richie M.
Still better than BB for me but he had a poor decison making test.
RM thinks he’s Michael Jordan
The sooner he realises he’s Scottie Pippen the quicker NZ regain their Best in the World mantle
That’s basically everyone in our team at the moment though
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Think tonight I see @MiketheSnow view point on Richie M.
Still better than BB for me but he had a poor decison making test.
RM thinks he’s Michael Jordan
The sooner he realises he’s Scottie Pippen the quicker NZ regain their Best in the World mantle
That’s basically everyone in our team at the moment though
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Think tonight I see @MiketheSnow view point on Richie M.
Still better than BB for me but he had a poor decison making test.
RM thinks he’s Michael Jordan
The sooner he realises he’s Scottie Pippen the quicker NZ regain their Best in the World mantle
That’s basically everyone in our team at the moment though
He's the biggest culprit, and arguably the person who has the most impact on executing the game plan
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Cane was excellent. If you don’t think so, either
- You are wilfully obtuse
- Your main sport is soccer and the tackling was too hard
- Your parents named you Timothy
2, 8, 12, 13 were also very good as was the team generally.
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will Argentina be competitive against S Africa? Their forwards look winded.
Pts now 10 NZ and all rest are on 9..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
will Argentina be competitive against S Africa? Their forwards look winded.
Pts now 10 NZ and all rest are on 9..We got the close RC we all really want haven't we?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
Hell yeah, great idea. Just when the midfield is starting to gel and is play well, let's break it up and start all over again with a player who has never played a test at 12. Geezus.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
Hell yeah, great idea. Just when the midfield is starting to gel and is play well, let's break it up and start all over again with a player who has never played a test at 12. Geezus.
I can see the reasoning behind moving Jordie to 12, he certainly has the attributes to go well there. But Foster has already said he sees Jordie as a 15, and there's not really a compelling body of evidence to make him change his mind - Jordie was only OK for the Canes at 12, he didn't really stand out. So the Jordie to 12 brigade will be waiting a long time for that to happen.
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I saw that at the time. Funny but awkward.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I saw that at the time. Funny but awkward.
Jason Ryan might be a future PM. Working on the three way handshake but hasn’t quite got the timing right.
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Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.
@Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.
I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
May not be perfect but is what we need.On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.
I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
May not be perfect but is what we need.On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.
I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
May not be perfect but is what we need.On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.
Totally, Marx is a turn over machine, and great hooker. But samisoni just goes forward. Attack, defence, he goes forward no matter what. It's awesome to watch
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@Stargazer cool. Well if you think a23 with the ability to win 3 games out of nine is good enough. Good on you. But I don't, what we have is not good enough. Selections, tactics, coaching, mental strength, micro skills, etc are all at a level of quarter final exits that's what we'll get if we stick with this. The fact this is the first time the same 15 had started 3 times in a row in the pro era shows how important using that risk continuity is. Not at all
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer cool. Well if you think a23 with the ability to win 3 games out of nine is good enough. Good on you. But I don't, what we have is not good enough. Selections, tactics, coaching, mental strength, micro skills, etc are all at a level of quarter final exits that's what we'll get if we stick with this. The fact this is the first time the same 15 had started 3 times in a row in the pro era shows how important using that risk continuity is. Not at all
Next game will be something very close to the same 23 - might be a couple of changes on the bench depending on what they might want different for the Australians - and Newell is still very green, wouldn't surprise me to see him make way - for someone, not sure who.
The three-times stat probably reflects partially how often people get injured in the pro-era, but also the luxury we've had to tinker and give people a run. But, this is a unique (for us) situation and not the time for tinkering. Keep building confidence, hopefully get to "won 3 of the last 4", lock up the Bledisloe, and then maybe there's a chance to make a change or two for Eden Park.
On the match - that was really good given the conditions. Certainly the best performance this year, one of the best of the past two.
Not sure we're quite in the box seat for TRC but we've got our noses in front and destiny in our own hands. Winning that would be quite good at this point!
