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All Blacks v Argentina II

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  • CrucialC Crucial

    @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

    I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
    Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
    May not be perfect but is what we need.

    On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

    I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
    Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
    May not be perfect but is what we need.

    On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

    Totally, Marx is a turn over machine, and great hooker. But samisoni just goes forward. Attack, defence, he goes forward no matter what. It's awesome to watch

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      Sexier in French -

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      • M Machpants

        @Stargazer cool. Well if you think a23 with the ability to win 3 games out of nine is good enough. Good on you. But I don't, what we have is not good enough. Selections, tactics, coaching, mental strength, micro skills, etc are all at a level of quarter final exits that's what we'll get if we stick with this. The fact this is the first time the same 15 had started 3 times in a row in the pro era shows how important using that risk continuity is. Not at all

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        @Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @Stargazer cool. Well if you think a23 with the ability to win 3 games out of nine is good enough. Good on you. But I don't, what we have is not good enough. Selections, tactics, coaching, mental strength, micro skills, etc are all at a level of quarter final exits that's what we'll get if we stick with this. The fact this is the first time the same 15 had started 3 times in a row in the pro era shows how important using that risk continuity is. Not at all

        Next game will be something very close to the same 23 - might be a couple of changes on the bench depending on what they might want different for the Australians - and Newell is still very green, wouldn't surprise me to see him make way - for someone, not sure who.

        The three-times stat probably reflects partially how often people get injured in the pro-era, but also the luxury we've had to tinker and give people a run. But, this is a unique (for us) situation and not the time for tinkering. Keep building confidence, hopefully get to "won 3 of the last 4", lock up the Bledisloe, and then maybe there's a chance to make a change or two for Eden Park.

        On the match - that was really good given the conditions. Certainly the best performance this year, one of the best of the past two.

        Not sure we're quite in the box seat for TRC but we've got our noses in front and destiny in our own hands. Winning that would be quite good at this point!

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        • CrucialC Crucial

          @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

          Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

          I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
          Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
          May not be perfect but is what we need.

          On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

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          @Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

          @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

          Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

          I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
          Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
          May not be perfect but is what we need.

          On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

          Front row is out of my area of expertise, but they seem to have stumbled on something here ,

          Do they play this front row all the way through to the wc now ?

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            Rieko played well and put his outsides away, albeit with his passes generally being harder to take than what they should have been.

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              Thought Smith had much better game tonight, tried a few different things to keep the Argies guessing, quicker ball also.

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              • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                @Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

                I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
                Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
                May not be perfect but is what we need.

                On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

                Front row is out of my area of expertise, but they seem to have stumbled on something here ,

                Do they play this front row all the way through to the wc now ?

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                @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                Lomax has certainly made the most if his chances. Be interesting if he retains his starting spot . Big step up from his super rugby form.

                I think he does. We finally have the mobility, energy and strength we are searching for.
                Sami also performs better with Lomax and DeGroot. Doesn't have to do their jobs as well.
                May not be perfect but is what we need.

                On a different note I think Sami T has to be right up there in worlds best hooker contention. Was certainly better than Marx was last night.

                **Front row is out of my area of expertise, but they seem to have stumbled on something here ,

                Do they play this front row all the way through to the wc now**

                Rests versus Japan etc, but YES

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                  Is there a way to convince them that they lost the last game against the Wallabies before the next one?

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                    Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                    I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                    Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                    Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                      I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                      Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                      Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

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                      @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

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                      • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                        @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

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                        @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                        Geez I hope not PUJ, I a Canes man, but hve yet to see the attraction of him. He is reasonably good super player at best I think anyway.

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                        • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                          @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

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                          @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                          At this stage Morgan looks like the same type of 10 as BB and RM, except inexperienced and not as good.

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                            How good

                            Gorgeous sunny day in the tropics. I'm laying in the sun by the pool. I got spoiled for fathers day. I had a breakfast beer.

                            And last night the ABs were fucking awesome. Forwards wrecked the other teams shit, backs took full toll.

                            Life is pretty good at times aye?

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                            • ChrisC Chris

                              Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                              I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                              Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                              Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

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                              @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                              I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                              Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                              Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

                              Isn't that what the ABs XV team will be used for?

                              Additions to the senior squad, I'd say that points at players who are experienced and in some cases may have already been there. I sure hope not it's Asafo Aumua, but it's a possibility (I'd prefer George Bell, but he's very green). Dmac is another one, although he's been hot and cold in the NPC, too, thus far. If they need another halfback, maybe Weber. Not sure whether Cullen Grace will be fit in time, but he'd be another option if he's available. At lock, maybe Josh Dickson.

                              @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                              @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                              PUJ hasn't been very convincing. Maybe his twin, although he breaks often. Morgan, same comment as Dmac but way too green (even for the ABs XV).

                              @Chris Did Foster also hint at players being dropped?

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                              • PaekakboyzP Paekakboyz

                                @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

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                                @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                                We're only allowed a RWC squad of 33 - I'd imagine an 18/15 split - which will allow four midfielders.

                                I reckon, barring injury, you can just about lock in ALB, Havili and Rieko - so we need one more from Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS and anyone else - plus potential need for injury cover. There's not much time to build the guys we have - the current combo, plus Tupaea and RTS. I'd be a bit surprised to see anyone else new in the equation unless Schmidt has a plan that necessitates a big munter like TUJ.

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                                  On the same note - lock in Mo'unga and Beauden and one of DMac or Perofeta as the third first five - with the other a back up.

                                  At halfback lock in Smith and Christie and one of....etc.

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                                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                                    I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                                    Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                                    Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

                                    Isn't that what the ABs XV team will be used for?

                                    Additions to the senior squad, I'd say that points at players who are experienced and in some cases may have already been there. I sure hope not it's Asafo Aumua, but it's a possibility (I'd prefer George Bell, but he's very green). Dmac is another one, although he's been hot and cold in the NPC, too, thus far. If they need another halfback, maybe Weber. Not sure whether Cullen Grace will be fit in time, but he'd be another option if he's available. At lock, maybe Josh Dickson.

                                    @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                                    PUJ hasn't been very convincing. Maybe his twin, although he breaks often. Morgan, same comment as Dmac but way too green (even for the ABs XV).

                                    @Chris Did Foster also hint at players being dropped?

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                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.

                                    I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
                                    Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.

                                    Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.

                                    Isn't that what the ABs XV team will be used for?

                                    Additions to the senior squad, I'd say that points at players who are experienced and in some cases may have already been there. I sure hope not it's Asafo Aumua, but it's a possibility (I'd prefer George Bell, but he's very green). Dmac is another one, although he's been hot and cold in the NPC, too, thus far. If they need another halfback, maybe Weber. Not sure whether Cullen Grace will be fit in time, but he'd be another option if he's available. At lock, maybe Josh Dickson.

                                    @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                                    PUJ hasn't been very convincing. Maybe his twin, although he breaks often. Morgan, same comment as Dmac but way too green (even for the ABs XV).

                                    @Chris Did Foster also hint at players being dropped?

                                    Not really,He mentioned when they selected the new props after the SA 2nd test in an interview,He was asked about how well he thought they played and he mentioned it would be followed by some new faces to be selected this season in a view to the WC.
                                    He mentioned new caps and fresh blood new enthusiasm to be added .

                                    I assume the EYOT is the time do that.

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                                      It is refreshing to have Christie coming off of the pine instead of Perenara of past seasons.

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                                      • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                        @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                                        We're only allowed a RWC squad of 33 - I'd imagine an 18/15 split - which will allow four midfielders.

                                        I reckon, barring injury, you can just about lock in ALB, Havili and Rieko - so we need one more from Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS and anyone else - plus potential need for injury cover. There's not much time to build the guys we have - the current combo, plus Tupaea and RTS. I'd be a bit surprised to see anyone else new in the equation unless Schmidt has a plan that necessitates a big munter like TUJ.

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                                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Paekakboyz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Chris PUJ if fit? I know he's been in the mix but I hope we see some more 12/13s in the squad. I wonder if Aidan Morgan maybe be bolter as well. We seem to collect 10/15 so having another specialist 10 to check out could be good.

                                        We're only allowed a RWC squad of 33 - I'd imagine an 18/15 split - which will allow four midfielders.

                                        I reckon, barring injury, you can just about lock in ALB, Havili and Rieko - so we need one more from Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS and anyone else - plus potential need for injury cover. There's not much time to build the guys we have - the current combo, plus Tupaea and RTS. I'd be a bit surprised to see anyone else new in the equation unless Schmidt has a plan that necessitates a big munter like TUJ.

                                        Versatility will be the Key,You need to cover all options a long way to get players over to France if anyone goes down.

                                        Blackadder would be the type of player needed plays all 3 positions.

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                                        • F Frank

                                          Rieko played well and put his outsides away, albeit with his passes generally being harder to take than what they should have been.

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                                          @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                          Rieko played well and put his outsides away, albeit with his passes generally being harder to take than what they should have been.

                                          Yeah, it feels wrong to nit pick, he was great as was the whole team. But it was pretty noticeable that his delivery was just a bit off, nothing sympathetic there. Easy work-on though, the rest of his game was ace

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