The Current State of Rugby
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https://twitter.com/joshgardner/status/1561835141311381506?t=TLVWD_Bu8jM6AUYU0fpq5Q&s=19
Seemed to be the right thread for this
@Kirwan i watched that this morning, and sadly my first thought was
"social media (most certainly including this joint) would fucking explode and call for a few of those guys to never, ever wear black again"
we as fans have lost a lot of the magic of rugby in our over-analysis and demand for perfection.
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said it before
went and watched the club lose their grand final on sat....but the day in the sun with $5 beers, $2 sausage sizzle and then the night back the the club room.....even if we did lose the game... was so much better than almost any win the AB's have had over the last few years
i remember screaming about this or that call by the ref during the game...dont remember mentioning the ref once afterwards, enjoy the good bits...forget the rest
all of this was happening at the same time as the ABs and Aussie games were on...no one watched, top level rugby is so far disconnected from grass roots it laughable
grass roots is where its at
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said it before
went and watched the club lose their grand final on sat....but the day in the sun with $5 beers, $2 sausage sizzle and then the night back the the club room.....even if we did lose the game... was so much better than almost any win the AB's have had over the last few years
i remember screaming about this or that call by the ref during the game...dont remember mentioning the ref once afterwards, enjoy the good bits...forget the rest
all of this was happening at the same time as the ABs and Aussie games were on...no one watched, top level rugby is so far disconnected from grass roots it laughable
grass roots is where its at
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
all of this was happening at the same time as the ABs and Aussie games were on...no one watched, top level rugby is so far disconnected from grass roots it laughable.
pretty much why i dont watch super rugby in a nutshell.
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
all of this was happening at the same time as the ABs and Aussie games were on...no one watched, top level rugby is so far disconnected from grass roots it laughable.
pretty much why i dont watch super rugby in a nutshell.
@muddyriver i know right, i know there are lots of things that need to be fix with rugby....but allowing those that like rugby enough to actually be involved in a club to watch has got to be a start
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@canefan the only thing i'll add to that is i think they have made themselves more important at least partially because there is more and more outcry from people...like us....for things not being pulled up in the past, i think part of fixing things is for the fans to chill out and accept calls will generally go both ways
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think this is a bullshit call to be honest.
How about the players and coaches finding every little way possible to make the refs job a nightmare? Pushing the envelope continually and then crying that the refs are blowing the whistle too much is a bit rich.
You still need rules/laws to play the game and therefore someone has to keep both teams within those rules to keep things fair.
The refs don't commit fouls or act illegally, that's the players. Add in the coaches that get them to push the boundaries.I'm happy to continue calling for consistency and for as much accuracy as possible, also for refs to have a 'feel' for the game and allowing minor infringements to go uncalled if both sides are doing the same thing. Campo just wants rules to apply when it suits.
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think this is a bullshit call to be honest.
How about the players and coaches finding every little way possible to make the refs job a nightmare? Pushing the envelope continually and then crying that the refs are blowing the whistle too much is a bit rich.
You still need rules/laws to play the game and therefore someone has to keep both teams within those rules to keep things fair.
The refs don't commit fouls or act illegally, that's the players. Add in the coaches that get them to push the boundaries.I'm happy to continue calling for consistency and for as much accuracy as possible, also for refs to have a 'feel' for the game and allowing minor infringements to go uncalled if both sides are doing the same thing. Campo just wants rules to apply when it suits.
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@Crucial agreed. Every time Campo has a sook about the state of Rugby, I remind myself that laws were very loose when he started, didn't change much while he played, and he still doesn't know a lot about any of them.
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial agreed. Every time Campo has a sook about the state of Rugby, I remind myself that laws were very loose when he started, didn't change much while he played, and he still doesn't know a lot about any of them.
He would fit right into the Fern
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@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial agreed. Every time Campo has a sook about the state of Rugby, I remind myself that laws were very loose when he started, didn't change much while he played, and he still doesn't know a lot about any of them.
He would fit right into the Fern
@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial agreed. Every time Campo has a sook about the state of Rugby, I remind myself that laws were very loose when he started, didn't change much while he played, and he still doesn't know a lot about any of them.
He would fit right into the Fern
was just going to say all of that doesn't stop us having a sook
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Raynals performance on Thursday was the current malaise the game faces writ large.
Fucking farcical.
Foleys fwd pass to Kellaway for the try missed.
Foley practically chips the conversion kick over Raynals head to avoid it getting looked at again.
Swain not getting a red......and the commentators lack of froth about it.
Angus Ta'avo got 6 weeks for an accidental head clash that knocked himself out.
Tupea had his MCL ruptured and a partial ACL tear. Fucking unacceptable.Foketi's turnover that was going to win the Wallabies the match. He crawled into the ruck on his knees within 2 yards of the ref. Penalty Australia.
The correct (but never ever fucking given) time wasting penalty to award NZ a scrum.
Then Mo'unga gets to take a drop goal conversion while there is a camera man on a Segway under the posts and about 5 Allblacks in front of him fighting with Folau Fa'ainga. Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff.
The conversion was immaterial to the result but indicative of how Raynal had lost complete control of proceedings.
This article was written BEFORE the match....
It speaks to how little faith most of us have in the dice rolling circus act that the game has become.
It is a fucking horrendously run sport at the moment and it is driving me bonkers.
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Raynals performance on Thursday was the current malaise the game faces writ large.
Fucking farcical.
Foleys fwd pass to Kellaway for the try missed.
Foley practically chips the conversion kick over Raynals head to avoid it getting looked at again.
Swain not getting a red......and the commentators lack of froth about it.
Angus Ta'avo got 6 weeks for an accidental head clash that knocked himself out.
Tupea had his MCL ruptured and a partial ACL tear. Fucking unacceptable.Foketi's turnover that was going to win the Wallabies the match. He crawled into the ruck on his knees within 2 yards of the ref. Penalty Australia.
The correct (but never ever fucking given) time wasting penalty to award NZ a scrum.
Then Mo'unga gets to take a drop goal conversion while there is a camera man on a Segway under the posts and about 5 Allblacks in front of him fighting with Folau Fa'ainga. Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff.
The conversion was immaterial to the result but indicative of how Raynal had lost complete control of proceedings.
This article was written BEFORE the match....
It speaks to how little faith most of us have in the dice rolling circus act that the game has become.
It is a fucking horrendously run sport at the moment and it is driving me bonkers.
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@Steve or you could have just posted....”French ref”
That linked article barely hits the low bar of fact of a forum.
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Raynals performance on Thursday was the current malaise the game faces writ large.
Fucking farcical.
Foleys fwd pass to Kellaway for the try missed.
Foley practically chips the conversion kick over Raynals head to avoid it getting looked at again.
Swain not getting a red......and the commentators lack of froth about it.
Angus Ta'avo got 6 weeks for an accidental head clash that knocked himself out.
Tupea had his MCL ruptured and a partial ACL tear. Fucking unacceptable.Foketi's turnover that was going to win the Wallabies the match. He crawled into the ruck on his knees within 2 yards of the ref. Penalty Australia.
The correct (but never ever fucking given) time wasting penalty to award NZ a scrum.
Then Mo'unga gets to take a drop goal conversion while there is a camera man on a Segway under the posts and about 5 Allblacks in front of him fighting with Folau Fa'ainga. Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff.
The conversion was immaterial to the result but indicative of how Raynal had lost complete control of proceedings.
This article was written BEFORE the match....
It speaks to how little faith most of us have in the dice rolling circus act that the game has become.
It is a fucking horrendously run sport at the moment and it is driving me bonkers.
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff
Funnily, after that time wasting scrum was awarded, Coles came storming in aggressively trying to snatch the ball off whoever still had it, such a muppet.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve or you could have just posted....”French ref”
That linked article barely hits the low bar of fact of a forum.
It’s not just French ref though…..the whole thing is a mess.
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve or you could have just posted....”French ref”
That linked article barely hits the low bar of fact of a forum.
It’s not just French ref though…..the whole thing is a mess.
You’re post was just “French ref” though and the “article” linked to was so full of hyperbole and outdated comments it might just have been written by David Campese.
Had to laugh at how the writer completely tangled up their logic to support refs not being the centre of things by praising Gardner for taking control and not listening to anyone else. -
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve or you could have just posted....”French ref”
That linked article barely hits the low bar of fact of a forum.
It’s not just French ref though…..the whole thing is a mess.
You’re post was just “French ref” though and the “article” linked to was so full of hyperbole and outdated comments it might just have been written by David Campese.
Had to laugh at how the writer completely tangled up their logic to support refs not being the centre of things by praising Gardner for taking control and not listening to anyone else.@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve or you could have just posted....”French ref”
That linked article barely hits the low bar of fact of a forum.
It’s not just French ref though…..the whole thing is a mess.
You’re post was just “French ref” though and the “article” linked to was so full of hyperbole and outdated comments it might just have been written by David Campese.
Had to laugh at how the writer completely tangled up their logic to support refs not being the centre of things by praising Gardner for taking control and not listening to anyone else.It’s a thread about how they are making a bollox of it . And my post is about the latest ref to make a bollox of it.
The article is about the possibly of said ref making a bollox of it.
I’m not sure if your angle here? Do you think Thursdays game was a judicious tour de force ?
Or have you inserted yourself into the thread to be an intentionally disagreeable conversational speed bump.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff
Funnily, after that time wasting scrum was awarded, Coles came storming in aggressively trying to snatch the ball off whoever still had it, such a muppet.
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff
Funnily, after that time wasting scrum was awarded, Coles came storming in aggressively trying to snatch the ball off whoever still had it, such a muppet.
He had to be restrained TWICE. Couldn't believe it
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Raynals performance on Thursday was the current malaise the game faces writ large.
Fucking farcical.
Foleys fwd pass to Kellaway for the try missed.
Foley practically chips the conversion kick over Raynals head to avoid it getting looked at again.
Swain not getting a red......and the commentators lack of froth about it.
Angus Ta'avo got 6 weeks for an accidental head clash that knocked himself out.
Tupea had his MCL ruptured and a partial ACL tear. Fucking unacceptable.Foketi's turnover that was going to win the Wallabies the match. He crawled into the ruck on his knees within 2 yards of the ref. Penalty Australia.
The correct (but never ever fucking given) time wasting penalty to award NZ a scrum.
Then Mo'unga gets to take a drop goal conversion while there is a camera man on a Segway under the posts and about 5 Allblacks in front of him fighting with Folau Fa'ainga. Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff.
The conversion was immaterial to the result but indicative of how Raynal had lost complete control of proceedings.
This article was written BEFORE the match....
It speaks to how little faith most of us have in the dice rolling circus act that the game has become.
It is a fucking horrendously run sport at the moment and it is driving me bonkers.
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Raynals performance on Thursday was the current malaise the game faces writ large.
Fucking farcical.
Foleys fwd pass to Kellaway for the try missed.
Foley practically chips the conversion kick over Raynals head to avoid it getting looked at again.
Swain not getting a red......and the commentators lack of froth about it.
Angus Ta'avo got 6 weeks for an accidental head clash that knocked himself out.
Tupea had his MCL ruptured and a partial ACL tear. Fucking unacceptable.Foketi's turnover that was going to win the Wallabies the match. He crawled into the ruck on his knees within 2 yards of the ref. Penalty Australia.
The correct (but never ever fucking given) time wasting penalty to award NZ a scrum.
Then Mo'unga gets to take a drop goal conversion while there is a camera man on a Segway under the posts and about 5 Allblacks in front of him fighting with Folau Fa'ainga. Dane Coles can be seen running in from 20 yards away for some biff.
The conversion was immaterial to the result but indicative of how Raynal had lost complete control of proceedings.
This article was written BEFORE the match....
It speaks to how little faith most of us have in the dice rolling circus act that the game has become.
It is a fucking horrendously run sport at the moment and it is driving me bonkers.
And amidst all that anarchy the All Whites of NZ transgressed not once
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@chimoaus in response to your post in argie match thread
while refs need to be held accountable for poor performances, it's the vitriol and abuse via social media that is disgraceful must make some question why they are stil refs.
But the ambiguity of the rule book and quality of current crop of refs ends with a game struggling with its direction and identity.
Guess the problem is, the money in the NH game means WR thinks all is well
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@chimoaus in response to your post in argie match thread
while refs need to be held accountable for poor performances, it's the vitriol and abuse via social media that is disgraceful must make some question why they are stil refs.
But the ambiguity of the rule book and quality of current crop of refs ends with a game struggling with its direction and identity.
Guess the problem is, the money in the NH game means WR thinks all is well
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
But the ambiguity of the rule book and quality of current crop of refs ends with a game struggling with its direction and identity.
Guess the problem is, the money in the NH game means WR thinks all is well
In recent internationals the refs haven’t called the hands on the ground prior to turnover. But there are so many rules that aren’t managed very well and I feel for refs - wingers in front of box kick or just players at restart, not straight feed at scrums, players making a mistake then playing the ball on the ground - penalty? players joining in front of players at maul..etc
Like you say the issue is the rules and the product that results. The thing I hate most is lineout mauls because so much of the game has become about this phase. We are seeing 3 or more tries per game at this phase. It reduces back play. Just seems out of whack - I would like them to make this more of a contest or just referee the attacking team more.
The oddest rule is the held up dropout. The reward to defender seems unfair on the attacking team.
