Bledisloe 1
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@antipodean obviously no room for something as base as human emotion inside the staggering cathedral of superiority you call a head.
@Derpus said in Bledisloe 1:
@antipodean obviously no room for something as base as human emotion inside the staggering cathedral of superiority you call a head.
Thanks champ.
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@kev am sure in the water tight AB defensive structure he will be sweet
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@kev am sure in the water tight AB defensive structure he will be sweet
He will certainly feel at home
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Read was calling for RTS to start at Eden Park. The reasoning being that he needs to play in a big test to see if he is an option for the future.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Read was calling for RTS to start at Eden Park. The reasoning being that he needs to play in a big test to see if he is an option for the future.
this has been the 'downstream impact' of us sucking this year.. kept playing the 'A' team week after week trying to get them to fire.. meant the likes of RTS, Perofeta, fainga'anuku and fakatava haven't had any game time to see if they're the game breakers we think they could be.
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@ARHS said in Bledisloe 1:
If Havili and Tupaea are out I hope Jordie goes to 12 and DMac into squad and 23.
Wonder if we may need to rotate props too. Not quite as energetic last night.ohh nup can't have Dmac.. when Welly beat HB this weekend we need him for our shield challenge next game
Props - I actually thought DeGroot looked a bit fat and lazy last night. Defo a work in progress. type of guy that's going to blow out to 160kgs when he retires
@WillieTheWaiter a bit of walking around too from De Groot last night.
I think some have underestimated the physicality of the OZ forwards. Valentini I thought was very good. Samu definitely was a step up physically than the young openside that played against the Boks.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
The call was that Koroibete was pushed into the contact accidentally by one of his team mates. I think we had one of those previously (maybe a NH Test?) where a player pulled out of contact but an accidental collision forced them into the zone.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
The call was that Koroibete was pushed into the contact accidentally by one of his team mates. I think we had one of those previously (maybe a NH Test?) where a player pulled out of contact but an accidental collision forced them into the zone.
Quite possibly, but I am not sure how you can tell that was the call from the coverage. Did you hear a conversation between the ref and the TMO?
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@WillieTheWaiter a bit of walking around too from De Groot last night.
I think some have underestimated the physicality of the OZ forwards. Valentini I thought was very good. Samu definitely was a step up physically than the young openside that played against the Boks.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@WillieTheWaiter a bit of walking around too from De Groot last night.
I think some have underestimated the physicality of the OZ forwards. Valentini I thought was very good. Samu definitely was a step up physically than the young openside that played against the Boks.
Samu, Veletini (arguably the 2nd and 3rd best players on the field) and Leota had big impacts (admittedly Leota not for too long). Once Cane went off absolutely none of our loose forwards could go with them.
Even McReight was a pest when he got on. The Aussie loosies were really fucking goodI think our tight 5 shaded them though, obviously at hooker, but i thought our props were good as well. Locks definitely beat their opposite numbers.
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@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 1:
Read was calling for RTS to start at Eden Park. The reasoning being that he needs to play in a big test to see if he is an option for the future.
this has been the 'downstream impact' of us sucking this year.. kept playing the 'A' team week after week trying to get them to fire.. meant the likes of RTS, Perofeta, fainga'anuku and fakatava haven't had any game time to see if they're the game breakers we think they could be.
@WillieTheWaiter similarly Dalton and Sotutu, come in basically cold and get grilled for being out of form.
Rebuilding / development this year has been poor...seems hanging on by a thread has put that aspect on the back burner.
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@WillieTheWaiter similarly Dalton and Sotutu, come in basically cold and get grilled for being out of form.
Rebuilding / development this year has been poor...seems hanging on by a thread has put that aspect on the back burner.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@WillieTheWaiter similarly Dalton and Sotutu, come in basically cold and get grilled for being out of form.
Rebuilding / development this year has been poor...seems hanging on by a thread has put that aspect on the back burner.
lol, and if they made changes every week they would have been absolutely slaughtered for not trying to build combinations.
Our loosies got owned last night. But if we step back, we were without the first choice 6 and 8, and then lost the 7 early as well. three new loose forwards all at once. No coach would have any expectation of losing everyone in one area at the same time.
And then last night we also lost both of our 12s at the same time. That's quite a lot of shit to overcome at once. And we still won!
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@kev said in Bledisloe 1:
Is that the worst half of rugby we have ever played?
fuck no...then we have taylor at hooker again
@kev said in Bledisloe 1:
Is that the worst half of rugby we have ever played?
this is what my post is about
I'm starting to think that TV/commentators...and even the fern...is part of whats killing my enjoyment of rugby.
At the game, we had an even mix of kiwis and aussies around us...everyone was chatting and talking at half time about how enjoyable the game was (barring the obvious like QT)..reading through the thread and moments like sotutu's kick...everyone was cheering around us about trying to play awesome....and then i get on here and see 10-15 posts about it essentially being the worst play in the history of rugby. Im sure with replays and the commentators it more clear to analyse but at the time it was a few seconds of up out of our chairs....hmmm
re the end....the crowd were all yelling for him to hurry up...was really blatant in real time
I saw a tweet that summed it up nicely for me....if this is the first shot in a war against time wasting...then great, all for it...if this is a random one off implementation of the rules...then its harsh...correct but harsh
some people that i thought played well in real time have been lambasted so once again a fascinating example of how different the game is without replays and commentary
@Kiwiwomble I regularly mute match threads for that reason. Often too negative and too many broken records. Not enough celebrating good things.
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I'm still scratching my head about Sotutu's kick. Wtf was he thinking there? He was surrounded by support. He should go the way of 2008 Lauaki for that alone.
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
@Rancid-Schnitzel I just about woke the kids when he did that. He had link players on both sides and went with the dumb, solo option. We've have applauded him if it had come off, but it was such a low percentage play.
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@Kiwiwomble I regularly mute match threads for that reason. Often too negative and too many broken records. Not enough celebrating good things.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble I regularly mute match threads for that reason. Often too negative and too many broken records. Not enough celebrating good things.
definitely, havent been in a match thread during a game this season i think, enjoy the 80min much more, just really interesting reading through the next day
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I'm still scratching my head about Sotutu's kick. Wtf was he thinking there? He was surrounded by support. He should go the way of 2008 Lauaki for that alone.
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 1:
I'm still scratching my head about Sotutu's kick. Wtf was he thinking there? He was surrounded by support. He should go the way of 2008 Lauaki for that alone.
But obviously it was incredibly concerning how that 15 vs 13 advantage wasn't exploited. Schoolboy teams would do a better job than that. Add the sometimes shocking defence out wide and you wonder what they're actually doing in training.
Anyone with that haircut has questionable decision making across other facets of life to be fair.
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Set piece stats are interesting:
Scrum - OZ 5/6; ABs 2/5
Lineout - OZ 12/14; ABs 13/13.So overall both sides lost 3 of their set piece ball. Good to see us challenging every one of their lineouts.
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Set piece stats are interesting:
Scrum - OZ 5/6; ABs 2/5
Lineout - OZ 12/14; ABs 13/13.So overall both sides lost 3 of their set piece ball. Good to see us challenging every one of their lineouts.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
Good to see us challenging every one of their lineouts
couple of those "closing the gap" penalties were harsh i thought considering what the Wallabies were doing on the other side. at least we were having ac rack though
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 1:
@WillieTheWaiter a bit of walking around too from De Groot last night.
I think some have underestimated the physicality of the OZ forwards. Valentini I thought was very good. Samu definitely was a step up physically than the young openside that played against the Boks.
Samu, Veletini (arguably the 2nd and 3rd best players on the field) and Leota had big impacts (admittedly Leota not for too long). Once Cane went off absolutely none of our loose forwards could go with them.
Even McReight was a pest when he got on. The Aussie loosies were really fucking goodI think our tight 5 shaded them though, obviously at hooker, but i thought our props were good as well. Locks definitely beat their opposite numbers.
@mariner4life Valentini has a very high work rate on both sides of the ball. Led the Aussies in tackles and number of ball carries. And for a guy that is heavily involved at the breakdown and tackle he has very good discipline.
One of the best games I’ve seen Samu play ever. He was playing a more hybrid role than what Hooper generally plays, but yeah he was up there in terms of the best on the park.
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@mariner4life Valentini has a very high work rate on both sides of the ball. Led the Aussies in tackles and number of ball carries. And for a guy that is heavily involved at the breakdown and tackle he has very good discipline.
One of the best games I’ve seen Samu play ever. He was playing a more hybrid role than what Hooper generally plays, but yeah he was up there in terms of the best on the park.
@ACT-Crusader i honestly didn't think Samu had that in him, he was not a name i was worried about pre-game
I thought even 12 months ago Valetini was not robust enough at test level. He's definitely improved in that area, and his test game now looks like his Super game used to. Hugely improved player.
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Well now that I have had time to digest it all it was quite a test match. Some great skills from both, some ordinary skills from both. I am all for referees having what might be called their different interpretations or styles, wouldn’t rugby become mundane if it was all so predictable?
The final result? Obviously happy to have secured the Bledisloe for another year but can’t help feeling a bit disappointed overall, firstly that we won in “controversial” circumstances that will be talked about for ages but mostly disappointed that at 31-13 we took our foot of the gas. Good AB teams would have taken no prisoners and turned that into a 30+ point winning margin.
The tension now grows for Eden Park where we will see some different players on the field, at least Ardie will be back, and whether Foster can maintain the EP hoodoo.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 1:
@WillieTheWaiter similarly Dalton and Sotutu, come in basically cold and get grilled for being out of form.
Rebuilding / development this year has been poor...seems hanging on by a thread has put that aspect on the back burner.
lol, and if they made changes every week they would have been absolutely slaughtered for not trying to build combinations.
Our loosies got owned last night. But if we step back, we were without the first choice 6 and 8, and then lost the 7 early as well. three new loose forwards all at once. No coach would have any expectation of losing everyone in one area at the same time.
And then last night we also lost both of our 12s at the same time. That's quite a lot of shit to overcome at once. And we still won!
@mariner4life go back and read the thread, people bitching about DP and HS.
Just saying they come in cold, and get grilled.
Well there needs to be development, don't expect weekly changes, but they can still develop without doing that.
What has happened this year is the result of 2+ years of ignoring issues in front of you.
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I know it’s the nature of a forum like this as we all want to find things to comment on but there’s some harshness here in regards to player performances.
Clarke did fail to link well but he also created those breaks and that is getting forgotten. Linking and choosing the moment to look for support can be worked on by the coaches. Creating busts and breaks can’t. As for the wing defence I commented earlier that this has to be something he is told to do. The obviousness of the action and the regularity points to that. It’s not like he drifts with indecision. He purposely aims in to try and shut down the move with sweepers coming across behind. I disagree with the theory but can’t blame him.
I hope we take a leaf from the Convict loosies and run our big men from deep with power hit ups. Flatfooted SB/Sotutu/DP/AI do us no great favours. I’d love to see AI with a head of steam but it just never happens.
With DP and HS last night, it was a good case of be careful what you wish for. Neither was a patch on the guys they replaced. All those unseen Cane things were missing especially on the leadership front.
Finally the moaning about defence needs to be taken with a pinch of salt considering the reshuffling. We aren’t at that stage of being able to be perfect with disruptions yet.
All up though I loved the game for the outcome and drama. Was a goodie. I’m happy to not be too negative@Crucial Yup agree on the Clarke theory on him being told to shoot up. Its a very high risk strategy especially with our widest man being given the task of doing it and I also don't like it as its asking a hell of a lot from Rieko Ioane to cover in behind him with the sweeping player (usually Mo'unga), and by that time, the support runners have already swept around which creates the overlap anyway.
The risk is certainly higher than the reward in the strategy.
