Bledisloe 1
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On the "it's never happened before " line of thought on the Foley penalty time wasting. I'll admit I cant remember seeing it before. But for 90% of my time watching this sport there was no 10 to 20 seconds of 'sacking celebration ' occurring, and then team huddles before kicks. Etc. This is new territory. I'm actually not against the NFL sacking celebration thingy coming into the game, it's fine. The huddle can piss off though.
I have however seen plenty of these reversals for delaying scrum feeds, delaying lineout throws (e.g. the Itoje scream didnt come from nowhere..) and delayed 22 dropouts when players pass it around to each other looking for space to take a 'quick' one.
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On the "it's never happened before " line of thought on the Foley penalty time wasting. I'll admit I cant remember seeing it before. But for 90% of my time watching this sport there was no 10 to 20 seconds of 'sacking celebration ' occurring, and then team huddles before kicks. Etc. This is new territory. I'm actually not against the NFL sacking celebration thingy coming into the game, it's fine. The huddle can piss off though.
I have however seen plenty of these reversals for delaying scrum feeds, delaying lineout throws (e.g. the Itoje scream didnt come from nowhere..) and delayed 22 dropouts when players pass it around to each other looking for space to take a 'quick' one.
@Rapido said in Bledisloe 1:
On the "it's never happened before " line of thought on the Foley penalty time wasting.
I think the easy response to that is as someone else raised earlier (maybe @crucial) - I've never seen the kicker weirdly imitate a mime before.
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Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comms team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comma team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.There would still be enough people complaining about the referee, for sure, me among them. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, there's no way one could not blame Foley for that.
What if Foley waited another 30 seconds? Had the ref blown the scrum then, would that have been OK? They would still be crying foul. Foley had more than enough time and simply stuffed it. If his forwards wouldn't come out of a huddle and he felt unsure about that, he can lay some blame their way, but it wasn't the referee's fault. He gave three warnings. -
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comma team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.There would still be enough people complaining about the referee, for sure, me among them. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, there's no way one could not blame Foley for that.
What if Foley waited another 30 seconds? Had the ref blown the scrum then, would that have been OK? They would still be crying foul. Foley had more than enough time and simply stuffed it. If his forwards wouldn't come out of a huddle and he felt unsure about that, he can lay some blame their way, but it wasn't the referee's fault. He gave three warnings.@Tordah said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
Something else that occurred to me was that if the situation last night was reversed this board would be piling full bore onto Mounga and Foster for being dumb in the act and not preparing players better. Instead (most) Aussies are piling onto the ref.
Some of that will come from the reaction of the Aussie comma team who tried to convince their audience that the ref was totally at fault.There would still be enough people complaining about the referee, for sure, me among them. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, there's no way one could not blame Foley for that.
What if Foley waited another 30 seconds? Had the ref blown the scrum then, would that have been OK? They would still be crying foul. Foley had more than enough time and simply stuffed it. If his forwards wouldn't come out of a huddle and he felt unsure about that, he can lay some blame their way, but it wasn't the referee's fault. He gave three warnings.The thing which made it obvious it was Foley's fault was three player next to him screaming at him to kick. Foley may have been just clueless, or he may have been time wasting. Either way, his fault - and his team mate knew it
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Ironically the only ever time I can recall something similar occured with another Foley (Michael) against the Poms in the late 90s. Penalty, kicked for touch right next to line. But he took so long to throw the ball in that England were awarded a scrum for timewasting.
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On the Clarke defence - if he's being told to "shoot" or if he's getting lost - either way it needs to be addressed. If he's dithering and then shooting, he's timing it poorly and not committing. If he's drifting in and then rushing up because he's identified wrong, he needs to stop drifting in.
Take away Sotutu's mind-numbing kick and I thought he had a really good game, especially for a guy sitting in the stands for months on end. He was busy as and definitely added something different, accuracy getting the ball away is something he could teach Rieko.
I thought de Groot was busy as, as well - I felt like I saw him a lot in the first 20-30 minutes, carting it up and hitting blokes/breakdowns on defence - just not as much impact as in previous games.
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size.
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower. -
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
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On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
Good question.
Nah - I figured we'd lost it, and Foley was just ensuring it by what every fluffybunny does in that same situation.BUT - I'd like to see that assumption change, and to see calls like that become standard.
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Did my eyes deceive me or did Richie Mounga make a couple of good front on tackles last night?
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.I'm not sure you got the Ardie is super tall joke.
Which is now also known in Wales-they have all our secrets! -
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
On the ref's decision at the end - would anyone have been cheesed off if he didn't take the penalty off Aussie? Was it crossing anyone's mind at the time that the ref should take action?
No, just cheesed off with the ABs.
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.I'm not sure you got the Ardie is super tall joke.
Which is now also known in Wales-they have all our secrets!@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.I'm not sure you got the Ardie is super tall joke.
Which is now also known in Wales-they have all our secrets!I did. Just making sure the hair joke is included, because... fuck - that hair.
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@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
The call was that Koroibete was pushed into the contact accidentally by one of his team mates. I think we had one of those previously (maybe a NH Test?) where a player pulled out of contact but an accidental collision forced them into the zone.
Quite possibly, but I am not sure how you can tell that was the call from the coverage. Did you hear a conversation between the ref and the TMO?
Pretty sure I picked it up from Reynal's mic - had a look at the video at 53:55 game clock:
B Barrett puts up a bomb from just outside his 22, landing on AB 10m line
Koroibete is a bit in no man's land, looking for the ball but then realising he's run back too far. He pulls out of the contest, watches Jordan, setting for a tackle when he lands.
Kellaway, meanwhile, is roaring into the zone with eyes on the ball. He impacts Koroibete, forcing him into Jordan's path.
Reynal says pretty much immediately "No he was pushed. Play on!"
As the ball comes out of the next ruck, he clearly says "He was pushed by his player. Accidental. Yeah pushed by gold"And then I think he say something like "off his feet" but it isn't clear what he's referring to.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe 1:
Only going off one 'real time' viewing but I think Aussie were lucky to dodge another card when Jordan has his legs taken out from under him when going for a high ball. I think it was Koroibete. We scored a few phases after that so it was forgotten about. At the time the ref seemed to ignore it, then it sounded like he was told it was something that should be revisited and then we scored. Unsurprisingly there were no replays of it.
The call was that Koroibete was pushed into the contact accidentally by one of his team mates. I think we had one of those previously (maybe a NH Test?) where a player pulled out of contact but an accidental collision forced them into the zone.
Quite possibly, but I am not sure how you can tell that was the call from the coverage. Did you hear a conversation between the ref and the TMO?
Pretty sure I picked it up from Reynal's mic - had a look at the video at 53:55 game clock:
B Barrett puts up a bomb from just outside his 22, landing on AB 10m line
Koroibete is a bit in no man's land, looking for the ball but then realising he's run back too far. He pulls out of the contest, watches Jordan, setting for a tackle when he lands.
Kellaway, meanwhile, is roaring into the zone with eyes on the ball. He impacts Koroibete, forcing him into Jordan's path.
Reynal says pretty much immediately "No he was pushed. Play on!"
As the ball comes out of the next ruck, he clearly says "He was pushed by his player. Accidental. Yeah pushed by gold"And then I think he say something like "off his feet" but it isn't clear what he's referring to.
I agree with that, but let’s say Jordan stayed down / milked it, there is no doubt in my mind that they would’ve gone upstairs and OZ would’ve been penalised for nothing more than just careless play. Ref would’ve felt he had to do something because the slow mo replays would’ve shown a hot on someone in the air.
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
Hairodynamics
I'll get my coat
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Bledisloe 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Valetini is a bit scary - he's basically Ardie, but proper loosie size
Obviously not as fast though
Or as tall
Did you see that hair?
Heavier, PLUS bigger hair - much slower.Aerodynamics
hairodynamics..
