European Club Rugby
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@KiwiMurph said in NH club rugby:
A box kick a thon final between Leicester and Saracens in seemingly perfect rugby conditions.
Wayne Barnes back to his best. First minute:
"Knock on, advantage. Advantage Over" Blows whistle. "Forward pass, we're going back to the knock on".@antipodean said in NH club rugby:
@KiwiMurph said in NH club rugby:
A box kick a thon final between Leicester and Saracens in seemingly perfect rugby conditions.
Wayne Barnes back to his best. First minute:
"Knock on, advantage. Advantage Over" Blows whistle. "Forward pass, we're going back to the knock on".Wayne Barnes, surely not?
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NH club recap (two notable Finals still to be played):
Top League One champions 2022:
Saitama Wild Knights
Premiership champions 2022:
Leicester Tigers
United Rugby Championship winners 2022:
Stormers
Pro D2 champions 2022:
Aviron Bayonnais
European Champions Cup winners 2022:
La Rochelle
European Challenge Cup winners 2022:
Lyon
Top 14 Final to be played on Sat 25 June 2022 (6.45am NZT) between Castres Olympique and the winner of Montpellier v Bordeaux.
Major League Rugby Final to be played on Sun 26 June 2022 (4.00am NZT). Finalists to be decided this weekend.
@Stargazer pretty happy Stormers supporter. Credit to our coach he have been through the worst of politics and still keep coming up trumps
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final pre-season game
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Wasps seem to be in deep do-do. My old company accountant played centre for them decades ago and always thought the business model was decidedly flaky.
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Wasps seem to be in deep do-do. My old company accountant played centre for them decades ago and always thought the business model was decidedly flaky.
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I don't follow UK club rugby in any great depth, but wonder if I'm hearing the sound of financial chickens coming home to roost.
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Wasps seem to be in deep do-do. My old company accountant played centre for them decades ago and always thought the business model was decidedly flaky.
So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
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So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
Interested in your thoughts on how this leaves English rugby. Will this impact the RFU/Big Clubs power balance? Good thing or bad thing long-term?
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Been the elephant in the room since the start of professionalism
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
Interested in your thoughts on how this leaves English rugby. Will this impact the RFU/Big Clubs power balance? Good thing or bad thing long-term?
I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
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So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
It's the same through Europe isn't it? The football model without the massive marketing/TV/merch opportunities.
Our more commie model isn't perfect but it seems a bit more sustainable in that matching spending to income is the driver and more controlled.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
So Wasps and Worcester looking very, very shaky. Seems like the typical Premiership business model of having a sugar daddy funding a loss making club isn't that sound. Who'd have thought?
It's the same through Europe isn't it? The football model without the massive marketing/TV/merch opportunities.
Our more commie model isn't perfect but it seems a bit more sustainable in that matching spending to income is the driver and more controlled.
France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
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France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
Really? I thought France were better off with a huge TV deal, and stadiums they don't pay for. And two fully Pro leagues, unlike the appalling situation in the championship in England? But I don't really keep on top of French rugby, apart from watching Heineken cup
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
Really? I thought France were better off with a huge TV deal, and stadiums they don't pay for. And two fully Pro leagues, unlike the appalling situation in the championship in England? But I don't really keep on top of French rugby, apart from watching Heineken cup
I think there’s much in what you say but there is also a certain level of dependency on rich owners, with Toulon being the stand out example albeit not to the previous level.
At least that’s my understanding.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
Really? I thought France were better off with a huge TV deal, and stadiums they don't pay for. And two fully Pro leagues, unlike the appalling situation in the championship in England? But I don't really keep on top of French rugby, apart from watching Heineken cup
@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
France looks pretty much the same to me, though can’t say much about Italy.
The NZ model definitely seems much more sustainable but that’s dependent I guess on how long the money train runs up here.
I’m pretty conflicted as I’m pleased with our more sustained competitiveness internationally, if not always our style of play. On the other hand there is the degree of attrition on the players and the money related mess.
I wish I knew how it will pan out.
Really? I thought France were better off with a huge TV deal, and stadiums they don't pay for. And two fully Pro leagues, unlike the appalling situation in the championship in England? But I don't really keep on top of French rugby, apart from watching Heineken cup
The LNR tv deal is currently worth triple Premiership rugby deal.
LNR distributes to 30 clubs though, prem to 13. But no private equity skimming 17.5% off central funding in LNR.
Fellow prem club owners probably secretly happy for Worcester to fold, and get to an even 12. They wouldn't want Wasps to go, though
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I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
My sympathy dial is at 0. I know the clubs are not the RFU (which should be ERU and not THE rfu) but nz was told to get lost many times when looking for profit-sharing. Rugby would be in a better place today if England France had centrally contracted players at the start of the pro era but put head in sand.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
My sympathy dial is at 0. I know the clubs are not the RFU (which should be ERU and not THE rfu) but nz was told to get lost many times when looking for profit-sharing. Rugby would be in a better place today if England France had centrally contracted players at the start of the pro era but put head in sand.
@Billy-Tell said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
My sympathy dial is at 0. I know the clubs are not the RFU (which should be ERU and not THE rfu) but nz was told to get lost many times when looking for profit-sharing. Rugby would be in a better place today if England France had centrally contracted players at the start of the pro era but put head in sand.
I understand the sympathy dialled to zero, but I’m not looking for that. Just looking at a poor situation and pondering on the future and make no bones about it we have a world-wide issue in rugby, just that it is being manifested in different ways around the world. None of us are immune.
The current financial malaise in parts of the NH club game has fuck all to do with profit sharing - do you honestly think if England if anyone else gave money to NZ or anyone else that would improve the financial situation in the NH club game? Really?
I agree that if we’d centrally contracted players back along we’d likely be in a better place but that is an argument that was lost back in 1995. Perhaps time to move on.
Oh and it is THE RFU because when it was formed it was the only rugby union. No arrogance there.
Hope THE Rugby Championship is going well
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@Billy-Tell said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
I wish I knew mate. The current situation is clearly unsustainable but what is the alternative? Exeter are the only Premiership club that regularly turns a profit and then only just. They have a very good conferencing set of facilities to assist in the finances but by the cringe it is a fucking expensive day out on match day. A good seat in the West Stand is up to £90! Add in the most expensive beer and pasties and it all mounts up to a painful experience.
It seems to me that there is not enough money in the domestic game to sustain the standards that fans have come to expect. Of course we have the cash cow that is the National side but that is not enough to spread around. More tv money might help I guess. One thing is for sure, we’re going to run out of sugar daddies sometime.
My sympathy dial is at 0. I know the clubs are not the RFU (which should be ERU and not THE rfu) but nz was told to get lost many times when looking for profit-sharing. Rugby would be in a better place today if England France had centrally contracted players at the start of the pro era but put head in sand.
I understand the sympathy dialled to zero, but I’m not looking for that. Just looking at a poor situation and pondering on the future and make no bones about it we have a world-wide issue in rugby, just that it is being manifested in different ways around the world. None of us are immune.
The current financial malaise in parts of the NH club game has fuck all to do with profit sharing - do you honestly think if England if anyone else gave money to NZ or anyone else that would improve the financial situation in the NH club game? Really?
I agree that if we’d centrally contracted players back along we’d likely be in a better place but that is an argument that was lost back in 1995. Perhaps time to move on.
Oh and it is THE RFU because when it was formed it was the only rugby union. No arrogance there.
Hope THE Rugby Championship is going well
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
Oh and it is THE RFU because when it was formed it was the only rugby union. No arrogance there.
Hope THE Rugby Championship is going wellHaha well said. THE Royal Air Force, THE Royal Navy, and (thanks Macron) THE Queen
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The URC had round 2 this weekend. Saffer teams did well. Biggest surprise by the Lions beating Ospreys at home. Also close win for Sharks away against Zebre. Edinburgh nearly beat the Bulls at Loftus. Stormers B had to thank Aki having a blond moment and left Connacht with 14 players. A struggle from them at Danie Craven Stadium.
