All Blacks 2022
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
English take on things
I like that team plenty of upside to it.
I hope Foster has it sent to him.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
Ethan Blackadder = Bogan Jesus?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
Surely it's now called the Ngatai-Goodhue syndrome?
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@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
Could be an option after RWC2023
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
I just checked the poll from SA 1 last year where he started at 7. Only J Barrett polled higher. They were by far the 2 stand outs. Being heavily involved in a test match victory over the world champs probably counts as more than nothing I'd suggest.
The discussion around loose forwards on this forum is pretty amusing at times. I wouldn't trade the loosie depth in NZ for any other nation*. Having quality guys on the fringes like Grace, Jacobson and MMT et al is absurd, honestly. Sure there's definitely a lack of players performing at a world class level (only Savea who has been consistent), but I don't think that's because of a lack of talent, more instead to do with muddled selection, stuttering team performance and honestly just average coaching (especially pre Ryan). Cane being on the wane and also un-droppable has also been a problem, and Foster needs to genuinely revisit the captaincy question...
*SA is certainly close but then they also select from outside SA too.
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Justin Marshall has been going around saying he would have Blackadder at 8 and ardie at 7 , I’ve heard him say it 2 or 3 times now ,
I suspect this guy watched one of those podcasts and pinched his idea .
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
I just checked the poll from SA 1 last year where he started at 7. Only J Barrett polled higher. They were by far the 2 stand outs. Being heavily involved in a test match victory over the world champs probably counts as more than nothing I'd suggest.
The discussion around loose forwards on this forum is pretty amusing at times. I wouldn't trade the loosie depth in NZ for any other nation*. Having quality guys on the fringes like Grace, Jacobson and MMT et al is absurd, honestly. Sure there's definitely a lack of players performing at a world class level (only Savea who has been consistent), but I don't think that's because of a lack of talent, more instead to do with muddled selection, stuttering team performance and honestly just average coaching (especially pre Ryan). Cane being on the wane and also un-droppable has also been a problem, and Foster needs to genuinely revisit the captaincy question...
*SA is certainly close but then they also select from outside SA too.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
But he'd get much more minutes for the XV, unless you're suggesting we rest Smith a lot for the NH tour?
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We have an interesting dilemma in our loosie mix ,
Lots of very good options running around ,
But the best starting 3 still doesn’t jump out from the page as the obvious choice , well it doesn’t for me anyway , still find it bit of a head scratcher
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
But he'd get much more minutes for the XV, unless you're suggesting we rest Smith a lot for the NH tour?
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
But he'd get much more minutes for the XV, unless you're suggesting we rest Smith a lot for the NH tour?
Think he'll go as 3rd 9 as he's more the future. Cupboard looks bare if Nugget or Christie get injured. Wouldn't be surprised to see Christie start against Japan and Fakatava on the bench for that game and poss. Scotland or Wales. Nugget hasn't had a break all season has he?
Then again they might take Weber and give Faka to the XV...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
But he'd get much more minutes for the XV, unless you're suggesting we rest Smith a lot for the NH tour?
Think he'll go as 3rd 9 as he's more the future. Cupboard looks bare if Nugget or Christie get injured. Wouldn't be surprised to see Christie start against Japan and Fakatava on the bench for that game and poss. Scotland or Wales. Nugget hasn't had a break all season has he?
Then again they might take Weber and give Faka to the XV...
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@Victor-Meldrew In terms of experience, Christie has only ever started one test vs USA.
Weber has only started in four, I think.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew In terms of experience, Christie has only ever started one test vs USA.
Weber has only started in four, I think.
Christie has had a load of time off the bench against good opposition and has been really solid. Think he'll start in 2 games on the EOYT.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew In terms of experience, Christie has only ever started one test vs USA.
Weber has only started in four, I think.
Christie has had a load of time off the bench against good opposition and has been really solid. Think he'll start in 2 games on the EOYT.
@Victor-Meldrew I think he needs to.
From watching a lot of halfbacks alternating over the years (especially Drummond and Hall, but a number of others), I've concluded it's quite a lot easier to shine off the bench than it is to start.
We are really light on experience if Smith goes down (assuming TJP is done).
But, developing Christie further reduces chances for Fakatava. We might be best to send him with the ABs XV and take Weber with the ABs.
