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Daffy Jaffy

Matera on that Dane Coles incident -

Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game.

“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always.

“But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different.

“I think he came in when there was like ten minutes left and he just continued picking on me, in every ruck, in every scrum, saying something.

“To be honest, it really hurt me, some strong things, I don’t want to repeat it but I couldn’t understand why, because they were winning by 40 points, he just came on, I didn’t understand why he was with that attitude.

“I know he’s obviously a great player but I know he’s a great guy as well because some of his teammates spoke to me after the game and came and say ‘oh he’s a good guy’ I said ‘I’m sure he’s a good guy, I’m sure’ I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me.”
Matera spent last season with Crusaders in their Super Rugby Pacific winning season, playing a big role for Scott Robertson’s men. However, the Argentine revealed that Coles told him he does not belong here, which Matera found disrespectful.

“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’ and I was like if you knew how much effort for me and my family to be able to come to New Zealand you wouldn’t be saying these things.

“But that’s it, it won’t happen again even though I didn’t want to give the time to him because I can take the disrespectful… I shouldn’t have done it because the game is bigger than any player.”
https://www.planetrugby.com/news/pablo-matera-los-pumas-star-opens-up-on-dane-coles-outburst

Winger

@Daffy-Jaffy

Unsure what to make of this. But I wish he had kept quiet after "stay's on the field, that’s how it has to be always". And just left it at that. It was interesting at the time but now it's stirring it all up again.

But Coles should know better by now. But at least he didn't damage his body with say a concussion career ending high head shot And Matera shouldn't let nonsense talk by Coles get to him so much.

I kind of on the fence with this. Read this article but wish Matera didn't come across as such a sensitive soul. And Coles as an insensitive whatever

Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game.

“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always.

“But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different.

Duluth

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."

Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'

"he just continued picking on me"

"it really hurt me"

"He said things that I’m sensitive about"

"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"

It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.

I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

Crazy Horse

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."

Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'

"he just continued picking on me"

"it really hurt me"

"He said things that I’m sensitive about"

"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"

It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.

I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

I wonder if he sounded a bit precious because English isn't his first language? Maybe he wasn't able to express things the way he intended?

NTA

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’

Ah yes, the old "foreigners taking our jobs" schtick. Classic.

Old Samurai Jack

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

To be fair, he was talking about HIS actions and not Coles when he said this.

ACT Crusader

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.

The old double negative, so he’s proud of it, right?

Nepia

This is just weird. I'm sure Matera has been subjected to worse sledging on the field than "you don't belong here". Wussy Cantabs.

Duluth

@ACT-Crusader

Stop picking on him

chimoaus

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

This is just weird. I'm sure Matera has been subjected to worse sledging on the field than "you don't belong here". Wussy Cantabs.

Didn't he get stood down for some racist comments? Either way I'm not for Coles carrying on like that. I would rather he focus on his actions then his words. I know sledging is part of it but Im not a fan.

Winger

@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

This is just weird. I'm sure Matera has been subjected to worse sledging on the field than "you don't belong here". Wussy Cantabs.

Didn't he get stood down for some racist comments? Either way I'm not for Coles carrying on like that. I would rather he focus on his actions then his words. I know sledging is part of it but Im not a fan.

Racist comment. Can't remember this.

Coles isn't a dirty player but likes to verbally wind players up. I don't mind this TBH. As long as it doesn't go into no-go areas. Like a racist comment. But dont belong here seems fine to me

Duluth

@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Didn't he get stood down for some racist comments?

Yeah he was stood down for some dodgy tweets he wrote a decade ago. I'm sure plenty of players have said far worse

Crucial

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

This is just weird. I'm sure Matera has been subjected to worse sledging on the field than "you don't belong here". Wussy Cantabs.

He did say there were things he wouldn't repeat.

ACT Crusader

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

This is just weird. I'm sure Matera has been subjected to worse sledging on the field than "you don't belong here". Wussy Cantabs.

And that’s the problem when it’s talked about it in an interview and you don’t shut it down.

He obviously thought that was his chance to “apologise” but if you’re not giving all the details people who just read the transcript of reports of the interview are left scratching their heads.

But I’m not that keen on tell alls as well because then Coles would have to come out and issue an apology (no matter what he said) too and then that takes on a life of its own.

Kirwan

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."

Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'

"he just continued picking on me"

"it really hurt me"

"He said things that I’m sensitive about"

"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"

It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.

I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

Smart from Coles, targetted what appears to be a mentally weak player.

Nothing the opposition says should stop you thinking about the game. Fitzy would be proud.

Winger

I enjoyed this article. On Coles sprays

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300706581/it-comes-from-a-good-place-all-blacks-not-safe-from-dane-coles-sprays

canefan

@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."

Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'

"he just continued picking on me"

"it really hurt me"

"He said things that I’m sensitive about"

"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"

It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.

I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

Smart from Coles, targetted what appears to be a mentally weak player.

Nothing the opposition says should stop you thinking about the game. Fitzy would be proud.

Meanwhile, at DC's house when he read that article....

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MN5

Kinda in two minds……the ABs seem to have a pretty high quota of dickheads in the team but then again sounds like Matera needs to harden up a bit.

MN5

@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."

Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'

"he just continued picking on me"

"it really hurt me"

"He said things that I’m sensitive about"

"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"

It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.

I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.

Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too

"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"

zzzzz

Smart from Coles, targetted what appears to be a mentally weak player.

Nothing the opposition says should stop you thinking about the game. Fitzy would be proud.

Meanwhile, at DC's house when he read that article....

Not sure what Dan Carter has to do with any of this

Tim

@Winger

Enjoyed this:

Both Coles and Retallick were also involved in a spat with England prop Kyle Sinckler during a test at Twickenham in 2018, after the Englishman called All Blacks lock Retallick “the ugliest guy in the world”.

“I was like, ‘Shut up’, and then he dropped the ball five metres out and me and Guzzler were like, ‘Yeah, you useless bastard’,” Coles said on the What a Lad podcast.

It’s not just players Coles has mouthed off at – just ask former Wallabies assistant coach Nathan Grey, who Coles said called him a “cheap s...” from the sideline after he believed the hooker put a late hit on an Australian player.

No surprises, then, that Coles couldn’t resist firing a shot at the defence coach when the All Blacks scored in Wellington soon after.

“So I’ve gone back at him, we’ve scored, and I’m like, ‘good to see your defence is bloody working’. So, I’ve had it all – players, coaches, managers.”

The Silver Fern

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