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  • M Machpants

    Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

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    #2597

    @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

    Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

    Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

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    • Dan54D Dan54

      @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

      Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

      Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

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      @Dan54 said in NH club rugby:

      @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

      Asset strip the club, then blame the players and fans that it failed. Utter scumbags

      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/worcester-owners-blame-players-and-fans-in-statement-branded-shameless/

      Doesn't seem to be very diplomatic does it? Though to be fair I not sure what they asset stripped etc, haven't followed it enough.

      They sold the club carpark and other field for fuck all to businesses they own recently. Cos 'the club needed the money' but that is asset stripping. I would imagine they will be sequestered back when the club is wound up, as it is within 6 months

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        Great game today between Saracens and Leicester. An open but pretty even game to begin with but in the end Sarries just blew away the champions and stuck 50 points on them. In amongst a very good team performance, there was some excellent individual displays but Theo Mafarland, the Samoan lock/flanker was simply outstanding. A ridiculous performance.

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          I mean, doesn't that make it even worse when you get done over?

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ref-mic-picks-up-sinckler-sledge-as-props-performance-slated/

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            @OomPB said in NH club rugby:

            Alapati Leiua to make his Stormers debut vs Embra on saturday

            So he didn't even see out the NPC season with Waikato. If ALB is ready to go Leiua isn't needed.

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            @Bovidae https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/unitedrugbychampionship/stormers-new-recruit-leiua-on-urc-debut-in-exciting-midfield-combo-with-mngomezulu-20221007

            He is new combination with the SA U20 captain.

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            • OomPBO OomPB

              @Bovidae https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/unitedrugbychampionship/stormers-new-recruit-leiua-on-urc-debut-in-exciting-midfield-combo-with-mngomezulu-20221007

              He is new combination with the SA U20 captain.

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              @OomPB When Leiua played for Waikato he was usually at 12. A strong, direct runner, but doesn't have the speed he used to.

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                https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/nigel-owens-new-job-rugby-25206752

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                • BonesB Bones

                  https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/nigel-owens-new-job-rugby-25206752

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                  #2604

                  @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                  Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

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                  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                    @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                    Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

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                    #2605

                    @taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:

                    @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                    Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

                    We need more Pro refs, and I don't know what they are paid, but maybe not enough? But certainly multiple international training camps, better oversight throughout the world, refs doing other countries domestic comps not just NH refs doing SH internationals. While they are at it, a group of a dozen, whatever, full time judiciary members who do all international disciplinary commissions via video. Get some consistency there

                    I see NZR is trying to recognise refs more by giving them carrots, I was a bit confused a couple of weeks ago when I saw a bunch of people dressed up posh, then noticed two refs with caps on!

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                    • M Machpants

                      @taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:

                      @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                      Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

                      We need more Pro refs, and I don't know what they are paid, but maybe not enough? But certainly multiple international training camps, better oversight throughout the world, refs doing other countries domestic comps not just NH refs doing SH internationals. While they are at it, a group of a dozen, whatever, full time judiciary members who do all international disciplinary commissions via video. Get some consistency there

                      I see NZR is trying to recognise refs more by giving them carrots, I was a bit confused a couple of weeks ago when I saw a bunch of people dressed up posh, then noticed two refs with caps on!

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                      #2606

                      @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                      @taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:

                      @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                      Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

                      We need more Pro refs, and I don't know what they are paid, but maybe not enough? But certainly multiple international training camps, better oversight throughout the world, refs doing other countries domestic comps not just NH refs doing SH internationals. While they are at it, a group of a dozen, whatever, full time judiciary members who do all international disciplinary commissions via video. Get some consistency there

                      I see NZR is trying to recognise refs more by giving them carrots, I was a bit confused a couple of weeks ago when I saw a bunch of people dressed up posh, then noticed two refs with caps on!

                      Pretty apt then given the old wives tale that eating carrots improves eyesight!

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                        #2607

                        The worm has turned, first 4 weeks English prem versus SRP

                        Competition/Team Ball-in-play time [average minutes]

                        Force [Australian highest] 33.8’
                        Super Rugby Pacific 34.0’
                        Gallagher Premiership 36.8’
                        Crusaders [NZ highest] 36.9’
                        Exeter Chiefs [English highest] 40.1’

                        Category Super Rugby Pacific English Premiership
                        Average # points per game 57 60
                        Average # tries per game 7.4 8.0
                        Average # penalties awarded per game 23.2 22.7
                        Percentage turnover tries per game 30%. 31%

                        Referees are very tight on releasing tackler, rolling away East West, and any jackal being straight onto ball

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                        • HigginsH Higgins

                          @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                          @taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:

                          @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                          Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

                          We need more Pro refs, and I don't know what they are paid, but maybe not enough? But certainly multiple international training camps, better oversight throughout the world, refs doing other countries domestic comps not just NH refs doing SH internationals. While they are at it, a group of a dozen, whatever, full time judiciary members who do all international disciplinary commissions via video. Get some consistency there

                          I see NZR is trying to recognise refs more by giving them carrots, I was a bit confused a couple of weeks ago when I saw a bunch of people dressed up posh, then noticed two refs with caps on!

                          Pretty apt then given the old wives tale that eating carrots improves eyesight!

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                          @Higgins said in NH club rugby:

                          @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                          @taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:

                          @Bones wonder if we have anyone doing similar in nz with our refs, cos when you watch the way some of these guys ref and the errors they keep making you wonder if they get reviewed at all.

                          Reffing is a critical part of the game, and a poor ref can ruin a game, so helping refs be better should be a high priority (that's without talking about the rules, although that's probably part of the issue with some refs)

                          We need more Pro refs, and I don't know what they are paid, but maybe not enough? But certainly multiple international training camps, better oversight throughout the world, refs doing other countries domestic comps not just NH refs doing SH internationals. While they are at it, a group of a dozen, whatever, full time judiciary members who do all international disciplinary commissions via video. Get some consistency there

                          I see NZR is trying to recognise refs more by giving them carrots, I was a bit confused a couple of weeks ago when I saw a bunch of people dressed up posh, then noticed two refs with caps on!

                          Pretty apt then given the old wives tale that eating carrots improves eyesight!

                          Especially in the darkness of the scrum & ruck

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                            Machpants
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                            #2609

                            Oh dear

                            https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days

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                            • M Machpants

                              The worm has turned, first 4 weeks English prem versus SRP

                              Competition/Team Ball-in-play time [average minutes]

                              Force [Australian highest] 33.8’
                              Super Rugby Pacific 34.0’
                              Gallagher Premiership 36.8’
                              Crusaders [NZ highest] 36.9’
                              Exeter Chiefs [English highest] 40.1’

                              Category Super Rugby Pacific English Premiership
                              Average # points per game 57 60
                              Average # tries per game 7.4 8.0
                              Average # penalties awarded per game 23.2 22.7
                              Percentage turnover tries per game 30%. 31%

                              Referees are very tight on releasing tackler, rolling away East West, and any jackal being straight onto ball

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                              Nepia
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                              @Machpants Typical NH Basketball rugby. They're even better at poaching than we are these days.

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                              • M Machpants

                                Oh dear

                                https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days

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                                MiketheSnow
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                                #2611

                                @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                                Oh dear

                                https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days

                                Real worry

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                                • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                  @Machpants said in NH club rugby:

                                  Oh dear

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days

                                  Real worry

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                                  Dan54
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                                  #2612

                                  @MiketheSnow Agree mate, I take no pleasure in all at reading this, and really hope we not seeing tip of iceberg. Wasps are also in the position of not really being a community based club, so will struggle to have lower grade amateurs to keep club alive.

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                                  • Dan54D Dan54

                                    @MiketheSnow Agree mate, I take no pleasure in all at reading this, and really hope we not seeing tip of iceberg. Wasps are also in the position of not really being a community based club, so will struggle to have lower grade amateurs to keep club alive.

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                                    @Dan54 No sympathies from me. They should live within their budgets like everyone should. In addition they received a massive payout from some outfit that brought a chunk of something to do with their Premiership a year or two back that was supposed to be the panacea to all the financial problems overzealous and overspending owners had indulged in.
                                    Guess the owners of the television rights will now be withholding a decent chunk of money now the sellers of those rights are unable to supply the number of matches for telecasting they contracted to do?

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                                    • HigginsH Higgins

                                      @Dan54 No sympathies from me. They should live within their budgets like everyone should. In addition they received a massive payout from some outfit that brought a chunk of something to do with their Premiership a year or two back that was supposed to be the panacea to all the financial problems overzealous and overspending owners had indulged in.
                                      Guess the owners of the television rights will now be withholding a decent chunk of money now the sellers of those rights are unable to supply the number of matches for telecasting they contracted to do?

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                                      #2614

                                      @Higgins

                                      They got 200million pounds (400 NZ) to share amongst themselves 4 years ago. Another 100 mill quid to cover covid, and they're still this far up shit creek

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                                      • HigginsH Higgins

                                        @Dan54 No sympathies from me. They should live within their budgets like everyone should. In addition they received a massive payout from some outfit that brought a chunk of something to do with their Premiership a year or two back that was supposed to be the panacea to all the financial problems overzealous and overspending owners had indulged in.
                                        Guess the owners of the television rights will now be withholding a decent chunk of money now the sellers of those rights are unable to supply the number of matches for telecasting they contracted to do?

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                                        Dan54
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                                        #2615

                                        @Higgins said in NH club rugby:

                                        @Dan54 No sympathies from me. They should live within their budgets like everyone should. In addition they received a massive payout from some outfit that brought a chunk of something to do with their Premiership a year or two back that was supposed to be the panacea to all the financial problems overzealous and overspending owners had indulged in.
                                        Guess the owners of the television rights will now be withholding a decent chunk of money now the sellers of those rights are unable to supply the number of matches for telecasting they contracted to do?

                                        Not suggesting sympathy for them mate, just saying I get no pleasure out of it. And as a rugby man, I don't want these things happening to any clubs. There are reports some clubs in MLR are struggling a bit too.

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                                          Machpants
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                                          Typical shit that PR pull, bunch of piston wristed gibbons - along with the RU more than happy to shit on Championship teams

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/19/saracens-lacking-safety-certificate-to-admit-10000-or-more-fans-to-stadium

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