All Blacks XV 2022
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae PT is not a consistent enough player to be a leader. Baffled!
Hopefully it means that TJ is only there in a supporting role. Good servant of the game but well past it.
He out-performed Weber on the weekend so what does that make Weber?
A halfback playing in a worse team? TJs pass is way too slow for international ruby now.
@Crucial and at a level that barely makes a difference to the AB coaches anyway.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
@Tim said in All Blacks XV:
Argh this is disappointing, way too many Cantabs in there. What has Brewis done? what has Dominic Gardener done? Lio-Willie aswell, really?
Guys like Caleb Delany, Peter Lakai, Justin Sangster, Devan Flanders, Kurt Eklund, Brayden Iose etc have all been way better than these guys.
It's pretty much a massive middle finger to the rest of the country.
Come on man. We all know there are some touch and go selections. But, that is a top quality Hurricanes/Wellington, what about my players post. We all want 'our' players and certainly some of these selections are bullshit. But if the guys you wanted were named there would be a similar uproar!
Touch and go lol? Brewis being selected is a joke. It's pretty obvious what players have been performing during Super/Npc and some of those players certainly aren't top calibre. Pretty ordinary tbh.
As I said. Some selections are bullshit, and look to be rubber stamped by 2022 Crusaders forwards cosch Jason Ryan. But your players as just as much nobodies as those getting the business class tickets. Delany, Sangster, first year out of school Lakai, Iose and Flanders. They have decent futures. Just don't know if they are the ones stomping up and down going pick me. The Otago and Highlanders fan in me is amazed Nareki, our Umag-Jensen, Holland and even potentially Ainsley didn't get a look in. I just think you are having a laugh, just like the selectors with some of your names. I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae PT is not a consistent enough player to be a leader. Baffled!
Hopefully it means that TJ is only there in a supporting role. Good servant of the game but well past it.
He out-performed Weber on the weekend so what does that make Weber?
A halfback playing in a worse team? TJs pass is way too slow for international ruby now.
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae PT is not a consistent enough player to be a leader. Baffled!
Hopefully it means that TJ is only there in a supporting role. Good servant of the game but well past it.
He out-performed Weber on the weekend so what does that make Weber?
A halfback playing in a worse team? TJs pass is way too slow for international ruby now.
Yeah but I don't think Weber is much chop now either. From those three I hope Roigard starts.
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@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
thats fair, i think this selection just highlights the poor decision they made early in the year rather than this being particularly surprising or bad
whole international career down to 25 mins over 2 games including a try
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@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
I just wonder whether these guys get decent advice, when they are eligible for multiple nations. Does someone have an honest conversation; you are probably not going to be a 50, 30 or even 15 test All Black. Will half a dozen caps fill your apetite for the black jersey. Or wpuld you rather play 50 tests for Fiji. In saying that, predictions around their futures in the test team can be hard to predict until they are out there, same with fit in the team environment. We alao don't know what has happened behind closed doors.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
I just wonder whether these guys get decent advice, when they are eligible for multiple nations. Does someone have an honest conversation; you are probably not going to be a 50, 30 or even 15 test All Black. Will half a dozen caps fill your apetite for the black jersey. Or wpuld you rather play 50 tests for Fiji. In saying that, predictions around their futures in the test team can be hard to predict until they are out there, same with fit in the team environment. We alao don't know what has happened behind closed doors.
@SouthernMann sometime i wonder if young professional sports poeple are often that...confident ...that even if someone told them that...they'd be "i can do this...i can prove im the best etc"
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Sowakula's agent should be looking for a NH contract now. The fact he has been capped should increase his value. He is contracted for 2023 though.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Sowakula's agent should be looking for a NH contract now. The fact he has been capped should increase his value. He is contracted for 2023 though.
Same with Peter Umaga-Jensen. Mind you, he looks to be carrying a shoulder injury so maybe he wasn’t considered. I guess we’ll find out if he's picked for Wellington this week or not.
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@J77 loosie currently playing for otago and signed with the crusaders for next season
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@J77 loosie currently playing for otago and signed with the crusaders for next season
That explains it then
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Wow. Big surprise for me is no hodgeman ,pita gus sawakula and no umaga jenson brothers .
Also I like the fact that Levi aumua is picked ,I’ve been very impressed with him and Ruben love is going to be some player -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
thats fair, i think this selection just highlights the poor decision they made early in the year rather than this being particularly surprising or bad
whole international career down to 25 mins over 2 games including a try
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
thats fair, i think this selection just highlights the poor decision they made early in the year rather than this being particularly surprising or bad
whole international career down to 25 mins over 2 games including a try
Mate he can still go to Fiji for 27 WC, so hardly whole test career gone, the other thing is he got a test cap so escapes a lot of the problems of going to NH (he will get work permit for longer) and make some big money until Fiji pick him, if they do.
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i actually thought Nareki might have been a shout, obviously been injured but hes back now and was dangerous in the first game back
there's more...."experience" than i would have thought, was expecting more up and comers
@Kiwiwomble yeah Nareki is fit but even I must admit he's no Bryce heem
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@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
Nareki, our Umag-Jensen, Holland and even potentially Ainsley
yeah, Nareki, our Umaga-Jensen, Holland and even potentially Ainsley have all looked better than the players around them this year....but i was trying to control my bias
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
Nareki, our Umag-Jensen, Holland and even potentially Ainsley
yeah, Nareki, our Umaga-Jensen, Holland and even potentially Ainsley have all looked better than the players around them this year....but i was trying to control my bias
TUJ & Zarn Sullivan the 2 biggest omissions for me, hopefully it's down to injuries...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just feel sorry for big Pita Gus!
yep, he never looked like a long term AB, and was in poor form when selected, I had similar misgivings when Seta Tamanivalu was selected for his handful of tests.
TBF though, I think wanted to represent NZ over Fiji, but still shit situation for him.
I just wonder whether these guys get decent advice, when they are eligible for multiple nations. Does someone have an honest conversation; you are probably not going to be a 50, 30 or even 15 test All Black. Will half a dozen caps fill your apetite for the black jersey. Or wpuld you rather play 50 tests for Fiji. In saying that, predictions around their futures in the test team can be hard to predict until they are out there, same with fit in the team environment. We alao don't know what has happened behind closed doors.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV:
I just wonder whether these guys get decent advice, when they are eligible for multiple nations. Does someone have an honest conversation; you are probably not going to be a 50, 30 or even 15 test All Black. Will half a dozen caps fill your apetite for the black jersey. Or wpuld you rather play 50 tests for Fiji
Yeah someone really should have had a word to young Kaino and Nonu to represent another country after not being the best early in their careers.
Lomu should probably have gone to the 95 RWC with Tonga too after that shit show in 94.
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The fascination now becomes how many of these players who missed out will be picked in Razor's Barbarians team.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
The fascination now becomes how many of these players who missed out will be picked in Razor's Barbarians team.
There’s no one left in Canterbury to select.
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Including the province
8 forwards from Canterbury (out of 16). No backs. Is this the influence of a new AB coach maybe
All Blacks XV squad: Forwards: Asafo Aumua (Wellington), George Bell (Canterbury), Brodie McAlister (Canty), Finlay Brewis (Canty), Oli Jager (Canty), Aidan Ross (Bay of Plenty), Angus Ta’avao (Auckland), Tamaiti Williams (Canty), Josh Dickson (Otago), Zach Gallagher (Canty), Patrick Tuipulotu (Auckland – captain), Dominic Gardiner (Canty), Billy Harmon (Canty), Luke Jacobson (Waikato), Christian Lio-Willie (Otago), Marino Mikaele-Tu'u (Hawkes Bay).
Backs: TJ Perenara (Wellington), Brad Weber (Hawke’s Bay), Cam Roigard (Counties Manukau), Bryn Gatland (North Harbour), Damian McKenzie (Waikato), Levi Aumua ( Ta$man), Bryce Heem (Auckland), Alex Nankivell ( Ta$man), Bailyn Sullivan (Waikato), AJ Lam (Auckland), Ruben Love (Wellington), Mark Telea (North Harbour).
