All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 I get your point but we have seen a lot of Jordie.. and some have seen him a lot at 12 at lower levels so it is not the case of seeing a player play one game. Just like you can see x games of him at 15 and 1 game of him on the wing to know that a good coach wouldn't play him on the wing again...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 I get your point but we have seen a lot of Jordie.. and some have seen him a lot at 12 at lower levels so it is not the case of seeing a player play one game. Just like you can see x games of him at 15 and 1 game of him on the wing to know that a good coach wouldn't play him on the wing again...
It is still a game and a half at this level (even the few at the level below) against opposition that aren't exactly the most feared, and more importantly, aren't of the type that we need to play well against to move back up the rankings.
Is he our best option despite flaws is the real question and the way to decide that is by direct comparison rather than early commitment. Let's see some in game swapping against the same opposition, lets see if he can play the gameplan that is required to defend against and open up the structured teams. If he is our best option then great. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 I get your point but we have seen a lot of Jordie.. and some have seen him a lot at 12 at lower levels so it is not the case of seeing a player play one game. Just like you can see x games of him at 15 and 1 game of him on the wing to know that a good coach wouldn't play him on the wing again...
It is still a game and a half at this level (even the few at the level below) against opposition that aren't exactly the most feared, and more importantly, aren't of the type that we need to play well against to move back up the rankings.
Is he our best option despite flaws is the real question and the way to decide that is by direct comparison rather than early commitment. Let's see some in game swapping against the same opposition, lets see if he can play the gameplan that is required to defend against and open up the structured teams. If he is our best option then great.Yep crucial, I all for him being our best option nothing would make me happier. and yes @nostrildamus I have seen him al lower levels playing 12 too, and generally likes what I saw too, and no way I disageeing with you. All I saying is let's not heap it all on him just yet. I think I have seen after living in Aussie in 24 of the last 26 years the number of players that are going to be the greatest thing who at club even super level look the goods then get rubbished because after a good game or something they don't continue to be the 'chosen' one. Jordan Petaia is among the latest ones, seem to expect the world, and I think can put them backwards quite a bit.
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Fair enough.
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just to temper the enthusiasm somewhat
i've seen some average players look like "the answer" after a good test against the Wallabies over the past decade or so
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@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
Clarke perhaps. But the dury is still out.
PUJ, he even struggles to get past Proctor.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
In recent times I’d say Fekitoa
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
In recent times I’d say Fekitoa
Certainly tough to get past Smith, Nonu and SBW. Was there any one performance where he looked like he might supplant them though?
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
In recent times I’d say Fekitoa
Certainly tough to get past Smith, Nonu and SBW. Was there any one performance where he looked like he might supplant them though?
Probably two Aussie games where he stood out and made everyone take notice, 2014 in Brissy when he scored that game winning try - he actually looked dangerous at 2nd 5.
Then Sydney 2016 test (post Nonu and Smith). In fact him and Crotty looked the business as a midfield combo in the first half. I think Crotty got injured and didn’t play the second half.
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that mulleted blindside who was pretty average but got heeeaaaps of tests based on fuck all more than beating up Australia
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
that mulleted blindside who was pretty average but got heeeaaaps of tests based on fuck all more than beating up Australia
I didnt think Akira still had a Mullet?
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@bayimports you forgot the Boom Tish
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
Played in 2020 and 2021 ABS and had scored twice against the might of Japan as well.. Crusaders' fourth-highest try-scorer of all time to boot.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
Great Crusaders wingers don't make great try scoring ABs. They can slot anyone in there and they will get scores. But most are found begging at test level. Are there even any Crusaders wingers in the AB try scoring top 5?
Not even in the top 10 as of Oct 2021
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Julian Savea's try scoring rate is incredible, was on track to be the GOAT until his form disappeared.
Cully at FB is the most impressive though, so far ahead of any other FB it's not even funny.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life like who? Genuine question. Has there been a NZ player who dominated the Wallabies and then failed to kick on?
George Bridge. Played well against the Wallabies in Eden Park 2019 pre-RWC after the ABs got smashed in Perth in the earlier fixture.
He certainly had his moments at the RWC 2019 but I wouldn't say he ever 'kicked on'.
Great Crusaders wingers don't make great try scoring ABs. They can slot anyone in there and they will get scores. But most are found begging at test level. Are there even any Crusaders wingers in the AB try scoring top 5?
Not even in the top 10 as of Oct 2021
Not many Crusader wingers getting 50, 60 and 70 test matches to make that list. I know, it’s a travesty and one of the great rugby injustices.
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@KiwiMurph Bridge is a good example. He waltzed past LSL in that game to setup Smith, I don't think he's making a line break like that against the top 4(?) teams.
But still I don't think either him or Fekitoa put in anything close to the MOTM performance that Jordie did.
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively. Which should finally provide more opportunities to Mounga inside and Rieko outside.
With all due respect to DH, I don't think teams have been structuring their defence to be like "keep an eye on Havili"!
