All Blacks vs Wales
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball Jordie’s ability to not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - he is pretty damn good at this and one of the better players I’ve seen.
Yeah - and it's noticeable that Jordie takes a pretty high proportion of defensive high balls - especially in traffic. When you've got attacking players waving their arms into the contest his size and timing are pretty handy.
The other thing that would need significant adjustment is the defensive system where the wings are pushing in and often leaving the outside player for Jordie to come across and smash - which he's also very good and safe at. He is a great big bastard who hits hard and Beaudy isn't.
Beaudy has more speed and a better counter-attacker in most situations.
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look? -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
Agreed. The cupboard of testready 10s looks a little bare coming up to RWC year.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?
He couldn't have put his case forward further anymore with his performance in Maori 1 vs Ireland. He was outstanding. One of the only backs in NZ that has the ability to control a game with their boot.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
At least there’s something in our favour.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
does it work for rugby as well?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, S. Barrett, Harmon….
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
Bit of a bastard that
Give yourself plenty of time
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Yep
https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1588090167742451713
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Yep
https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1588090167742451713
@KiwiMurph Convenient!
Thanks for finding that though.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
Check out the Knox Road car park. Used to use that on and it was near enough to walk but far enough not to be full. Defer, of course, to @MiketheSnow as our resident Welsh correspondent...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?
He couldn't have put his case forward further anymore with his performance in Maori 1 vs Ireland. He was outstanding. One of the only backs in NZ that has the ability to control a game with their boot.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?
He couldn't have put his case forward further anymore with his performance in Maori 1 vs Ireland. He was outstanding. One of the only backs in NZ that has the ability to control a game with their boot.
"One of the only backs in NZ that has the ability to control a game with their boot."--that is um, kind of a very desirable attribute in a RWC year I would have thought...
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Yep
https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1588090167742451713
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Yep
https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1588090167742451713
JORDIE AT 12 FOSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball Jordie’s ability to not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - he is pretty damn good at this and one of the better players I’ve seen.
Yeah - and it's noticeable that Jordie takes a pretty high proportion of defensive high balls - especially in traffic. When you've got attacking players waving their arms into the contest his size and timing are pretty handy.
The other thing that would need significant adjustment is the defensive system where the wings are pushing in and often leaving the outside player for Jordie to come across and smash - which he's also very good and safe at. He is a great big bastard who hits hard and Beaudy isn't.
Beaudy has more speed and a better counter-attacker in most situations.
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
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@Chris-B o would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback
JB is very much a defensive fullback. I miss Mils
But yeah I really miss Cully
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B would prefer a fullback who is an actual attacking threat from fullback.
Yep. I never felt that Jordie's attributes were best suited for the back 3. Outstanding rugby skills, but no proper ability to create spark on the counter attack due to lacking of top-end speed and acceleration. Always felt he was too big and a little cumbersome.
In the midfield, he looked absolutely at home. His power as a runner, post-contact metres galore... his ability to interact with the backline, his physical presence in defence. He straightened the attack so well, he's a genuine triple-threat, can kick for length or tactically.
One other aspect I like is that he takes attention away from Mo'unga, which gives him more time and space - it reminded me of SBW & Cruden's partnership, as like Mo'unga, Cruden was a small ten, and playing inside a bigger frame in SBW really enabled his game to thrive.
