All Blacks vs Wales
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball and not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - Jordie is pretty damn good and one of the better players I’ve seen at it.
As a few of us have said recently it's all about the relative drop off at 15 (JB to BB) vs 12 (JB to DV/RTS)
I'd def go with AS & RM, JB and RI midfield, CC and SR wings, with BB at 15.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Let's start with the right forwards in the right jerseys. If the pack performs well, it will make a hell of a difference to how the backline goes. Against Japan, the pack didn't go well, so it's not suprising that the backs struggled, too. Add to that a stupid game plan with too much kicking combined with a malfunctioning defence, plus too many rookies, and you have a recipe for a poor performance.
While I agree that Jordie should get another shot in the 12 jersey, I also think he's a better fullback than BB. With Jordan not in the squad, I can see merit in starting Jordie at fullback, with BB on the bench.
But as I said, get the forward combination, especially the backrow, right first.
While I am never as quick to excuse the guys on the field as you
I pretty much agree with everything here
JB at 12 needs a full tour now to show it's for real. But his problem is, who plays 15? And thrn the question is, is the drop to the 2nd best 12 or 15 the biggest?
I also really hate a bench player's introduction resulting in more than 1 change
The drop to 2nd best 12 is undoubtedly bigger. We have Beauden and Jordan (longer term) at 15, the cupboard is very bare at 12, hence us trying to shoehorn Havili there. I'm also more excited by Beauden and Jordan at the back as that gives us extra attacking ability, E.G. scoring tries out of absolutely fucking nothing which can turn the course of a test, which we may need when our forwards are getting smacked around.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Let's start with the right forwards in the right jerseys. If the pack performs well, it will make a hell of a difference to how the backline goes. Against Japan, the pack didn't go well, so it's not suprising that the backs struggled, too. Add to that a stupid game plan with too much kicking combined with a malfunctioning defence, plus too many rookies, and you have a recipe for a poor performance.
While I agree that Jordie should get another shot in the 12 jersey, I also think he's a better fullback than BB. With Jordan not in the squad, I can see merit in starting Jordie at fullback, with BB on the bench.
But as I said, get the forward combination, especially the backrow, right first.
While I am never as quick to excuse the guys on the field as you
I pretty much agree with everything here
JB at 12 needs a full tour now to show it's for real. But his problem is, who plays 15? And thrn the question is, is the drop to the 2nd best 12 or 15 the biggest?
I also really hate a bench player's introduction resulting in more than 1 change
The drop to 2nd best 12 is undoubtedly bigger. We have Beauden and Jordan (longer term) at 15, the cupboard is very bare at 12, hence us trying to shoehorn Havili there. I'm also more excited by Beauden and Jordan at the back as that gives us extra attacking ability, E.G. scoring tries out of absolutely fucking nothing which can turn the course of a test, which we may need when our forwards are getting smacked around.
Hammer. Nail. Head
Ben Smith, Dagg, McKenzie , Cullen, Muliaina used to get us out of serious holes by running the ball back , finding a gap , and next thing you know you are 20 meters from their try line and they are scrambling . You get cheap offside penalties and are in great scoring positions. Jordie is too conservative a 15, but exactly what we need at 12.
Foster picks his fullback as a kick fielder as opposed to an attacking weapon. We need to be bold.
Look at Will Jordan’s highlight reel for the Allblacks . Think of the try he scored against Ireland running 80 meters around sexton on the angle. The chip and chases against wales, the USA, the swerve against OZ gathering Beaudys chip.
Now imagine letting this boy have time and space and the whole field to choose from if we play him at FB.
He is another point of difference and we are not using him to his full potential.
Having him in the wing being bundled into touch is a waste of time.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Not a big fan of Reece. Shame that Jordan isn't available
Reece is a better winger than Jordan, offers a lot more physicality which Jordan lacks.
5kg heavier, much stronger & dominant tackler, with a ridiculous work-rate off the ball.
Jordan is a fullback and isn't nearly as effective on the wing.
Bollocks from start to finish.
Jordan is close on 100kgs and Sevu is around 90kgs. Seriously, you only have to look at them to see that Jordan is much bigger.
A prime example of how believing bogus internet weights will lead to totally fucked-up analysis!!!!!!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Not a big fan of Reece. Shame that Jordan isn't available
Reece is a better winger than Jordan, offers a lot more physicality which Jordan lacks.
5kg heavier, much stronger & dominant tackler, with a ridiculous work-rate off the ball.
Jordan is a fullback and isn't nearly as effective on the wing.
Bollocks from start to finish.
Jordan is close on 100kgs and Sevu is around 90kgs. Seriously, you only have to look at them to see that Jordan is much bigger.
A prime example of how believing bogus internet weights will lead to totally fucked-up analysis!!!!!!
and tries! Over the same number of games (21), Jordan has
https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/will-jordan/ {nearly all on the wing, may have spent a little time at FB?} 21 tries
https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/sevu-reece/ {virtually all on wing, may have covered for 12?} 14 tries
By my reckoning Jordan is 50% more effective at scoring points (Jordan scores a try a game, Reece scores 2 tries per 3 games). -
@voodoo I’d go with RM, LF, DH, BE, SR…
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo I’d go with RM, LF, DH, BE, SR…
Well they had both DH and SR on TV in an interview after training so you are probably at least 40% right
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The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try. -
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
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@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball Jordie’s ability to not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - he is pretty damn good at this and one of the better players I’ve seen.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball Jordie’s ability to not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - he is pretty damn good at this and one of the better players I’ve seen.
Yeah - and it's noticeable that Jordie takes a pretty high proportion of defensive high balls - especially in traffic. When you've got attacking players waving their arms into the contest his size and timing are pretty handy.
The other thing that would need significant adjustment is the defensive system where the wings are pushing in and often leaving the outside player for Jordie to come across and smash - which he's also very good and safe at. He is a great big bastard who hits hard and Beaudy isn't.
Beaudy has more speed and a better counter-attacker in most situations.
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@No-Quarter I’ve been a big fan of Beaudie at fullback because on the counter and broken play he is still a very dangerous proposition with space. I’d say the only reservation they would have about a permanent shift whilst Jordie is available to play fullback is Beaudies kicking. It’s still a pretty important tool needed and Jordie’s big boot has gotten us out of a few tough spots and I’m not sure anyone else has that in the squad.
And not that Beaudie is bad at this, but under the high ball Jordie’s ability to not only getting high, but jumping early to take it - he is pretty damn good at this and one of the better players I’ve seen.
Yeah - and it's noticeable that Jordie takes a pretty high proportion of defensive high balls - especially in traffic. When you've got attacking players waving their arms into the contest his size and timing are pretty handy.
The other thing that would need significant adjustment is the defensive system where the wings are pushing in and often leaving the outside player for Jordie to come across and smash - which he's also very good and safe at. He is a great big bastard who hits hard and Beaudy isn't.
Beaudy has more speed and a better counter-attacker in most situations.
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look? -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?I wish.
Personally I'd like to see him end up at 10 but I can't see it happening
Agreed. The cupboard of testready 10s looks a little bare coming up to RWC year.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wales:
If we could clone Jordie, I'd be pretty happy to have him at 2nd five and fullback - but, we can't and in my mind fullback is a more influential position. I'm hesitant to shift him at this late stage.
Can't really argue but it is amazing we have so many part-time fbs and not a great second one!
Perofeta BB Reece(!) Havili Jordan...
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Maybe Zarn Sullivan is worth a look?
He couldn't have put his case forward further anymore with his performance in Maori 1 vs Ireland. He was outstanding. One of the only backs in NZ that has the ability to control a game with their boot.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
At least there’s something in our favour.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
does it work for rugby as well?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
So, are they announcing the team tonight?
Bower, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock, S. Barrett, Harmon….
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wales:
The omens are not good.
England referee Wayne Barnes will mark his 100th Test at Cardiff on Sunday (NZT) by starting the game with the whistle used in the famous 1905 Test between Wales and the All Blacks.
Wales won 3-0, but the game has forever been remembered for the non-awarding of a try to All Blacks centre Bob Deans who maintained, until his premature death in 1908 from complications after an appendix operation, that he had scored a fair try.Barnes, Cardiff, Deans.....what could go wrong?
And I got a ticket and I’m going to wear my lucky pants
You're screwed then! I'm having to drive because the train unions decided to celebrate Guy Fawkes at home with the kids.
Bit of a bastard that
Give yourself plenty of time
