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  • HigginsH Higgins

    @canefan said in Foster:

    @MN5 said in Foster:

    Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

    He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

    Some older guys would put the Bill Osborne/Bruce Robertson combination as a serious alternative to any other one offered.

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    Victor Meldrew
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    #3977

    @Higgins said in Foster:

    @canefan said in Foster:

    @MN5 said in Foster:

    Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

    He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

    Some older guys would put the Bill Osborne/Bruce Robertson combination as a serious alternative to any other one offered.

    Yep. They were great, but I think the Conrad/Ma'a combo was a stronger one.

    Bruce Robertson was similar to Conrad but probably a bit better (particularly on attack), but Ma'a is fair bit ahead of Bill Osborne. And that's no reflection on Conrad or Bill - far from it.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

      @canefan said in Foster:

      @MN5 said in Foster:

      Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

      He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

      Nope

      Bunce and Little for me

      I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

      It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

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      #3978

      @Bones said in Foster:

      @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

      @canefan said in Foster:

      @MN5 said in Foster:

      Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

      He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

      Nope

      Bunce and Little for me

      I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

      It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

      Hmmm

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      • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

        @Bones said in Foster:

        @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

        @canefan said in Foster:

        @MN5 said in Foster:

        Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

        He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

        Nope

        Bunce and Little for me

        I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

        It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

        Hmmm

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        @MiketheSnow

        Bunce was great but there was real guile to Ma'a's play which Bunce didn't have so much

        If you check out the last minute Ireland win a few years back there's a point where the ball is passed from the RHS and is bobbling towards Nonu. Rather than rush up, he waits for the ball to come to him which confuses the defence, then runs a 45 degree angle, feigns a pass, straightens up slightly, ties up 3 defenders and two passes later Crotty scores.

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        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

          @MiketheSnow

          Bunce was great but there was real guile to Ma'a's play which Bunce didn't have so much

          If you check out the last minute Ireland win a few years back there's a point where the ball is passed from the RHS and is bobbling towards Nonu. Rather than rush up, he waits for the ball to come to him which confuses the defence, then runs a 45 degree angle, feigns a pass, straightens up slightly, ties up 3 defenders and two passes later Crotty scores.

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          #3980

          @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

          @MiketheSnow

          Bunce was great but there was real guile to Ma'a's play which Bunce didn't have so much

          If you check out the last minute Ireland win a few years back there's a point where the ball is passed from the RHS and is bobbling towards Nonu. Rather than rush up, he waits for the ball to come to him which confuses the defence, then runs a 45 degree angle, feigns a pass, straightens up slightly, ties up 3 defenders and two passes later Crotty scores.

          So Nonu and Bunce it is

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          • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

            @MiketheSnow

            Bunce was great but there was real guile to Ma'a's play which Bunce didn't have so much

            If you check out the last minute Ireland win a few years back there's a point where the ball is passed from the RHS and is bobbling towards Nonu. Rather than rush up, he waits for the ball to come to him which confuses the defence, then runs a 45 degree angle, feigns a pass, straightens up slightly, ties up 3 defenders and two passes later Crotty scores.

            So Nonu and Bunce it is

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            #3981

            @MiketheSnow

            If I was a Time Lord, Nonu & Bruce Robertson. Robertson at his best

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            • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

              @Bones said in Foster:

              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

              @canefan said in Foster:

              @MN5 said in Foster:

              Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

              He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

              Nope

              Bunce and Little for me

              I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

              It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

              Hmmm

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              Bones
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              #3982

              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

              @Bones said in Foster:

              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

              @canefan said in Foster:

              @MN5 said in Foster:

              Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

              He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

              Nope

              Bunce and Little for me

              I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

              It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

              Hmmm

              Like I said, easily.

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              • BonesB Bones

                @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                @canefan said in Foster:

                @MN5 said in Foster:

                Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                Nope

                Bunce and Little for me

                I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

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                voodoo
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                #3983

                @Bones said in Foster:

                @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                @canefan said in Foster:

                @MN5 said in Foster:

                Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                Nope

                Bunce and Little for me

                I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

                Ooof, I'll give you Nonu over Walter, but I thought Bunce was special. I have a lot of time for Smith, don't get me wrong. But Bunce just had something extra.

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                • voodooV voodoo

                  @Bones said in Foster:

                  @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                  @canefan said in Foster:

                  @MN5 said in Foster:

                  Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                  He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                  Nope

                  Bunce and Little for me

                  I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                  It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

                  Ooof, I'll give you Nonu over Walter, but I thought Bunce was special. I have a lot of time for Smith, don't get me wrong. But Bunce just had something extra.

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                  Bones
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                  #3984

                  @voodoo said in Foster:

                  @Bones said in Foster:

                  @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                  @canefan said in Foster:

                  @MN5 said in Foster:

                  Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                  He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                  Nope

                  Bunce and Little for me

                  I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                  It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

                  Ooof, I'll give you Nonu over Walter, but I thought Bunce was special. I have a lot of time for Smith, don't get me wrong. But Bunce just had something extra.

                  Kinda like Smith had something extra.

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                    voodoo
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                    #3985

                    Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

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                    • voodooV voodoo

                      Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

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                      Bones
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #3986

                      @voodoo said in Foster:

                      Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

                      Foster would've selected Little and Smith.

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                        Tim
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                        #3987

                        John Schuster was a very good 12.

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                        • voodooV voodoo

                          Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

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                          #3988

                          @voodoo said in Foster:

                          Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

                          Wasn't Foster Backs coach when Nonu really developed after 2011 from being a potentially great 12 into arguably the best in Black ever? :fishing_pole:

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @MiketheSnow

                            If I was a Time Lord, Nonu & Bruce Robertson. Robertson at his best

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                            #3989

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                            @MiketheSnow

                            If I was a Time Lord, Nonu & Bruce Robertson. Robertson at his best

                            Based on those 'highlights', still Bunce for me

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                              @Bones said in Foster:

                              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                              @canefan said in Foster:

                              @MN5 said in Foster:

                              Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                              He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                              Nope

                              Bunce and Little for me

                              I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                              It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

                              Hmmm

                              Like I said, easily.

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                              MiketheSnow
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                              @Bones said in Foster:

                              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                              @Bones said in Foster:

                              @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                              @canefan said in Foster:

                              @MN5 said in Foster:

                              Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                              He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                              Nope

                              Bunce and Little for me

                              I know it's the wrong way round but if reads better 😉

                              It's not even close, Nonu's skills blow Little's out of the water, Smith easily matches Bunce.

                              Hmmm

                              Like I said, easily.

                              Great tune

                              Great defensive centre
                              Great at putting himself outside the defender to receive the pass, often the scoring pass
                              Great finisher

                              Would still have Bunce

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                              • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                @MiketheSnow

                                If I was a Time Lord, Nonu & Bruce Robertson. Robertson at his best

                                Based on those 'highlights', still Bunce for me

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                                #3991

                                @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                                Based on those 'highlights', still Bunce for me

                                No highlights reel for Robertson sadly, just a few extended Test highlights.

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @voodoo said in Foster:

                                  Whichever way you lean, this is a much better use of a thread than going around in circles talking about bloody Foster and Robertson

                                  Foster would've selected Little and Smith.

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                                  @Bones he would kept DC at 12 and played Mils at 13.

                                  Nonu at 12 is a certainty for me, 13 could be anyone of Smith, Bunce and Robertson, but like Little/Bunce, its the combo of Nonu/Smith that probably takes it for me.

                                  Individually I loved Bunce, saved his best for AB rugby, but what you hear about Robertson makes me wish I could have seen him play (and have a soft spot for him as I have got to know him personally as well and such a nice guy) obviously Conrad was often compared to Robertson, which probably says it all.

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                                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                    @Higgins said in Foster:

                                    @canefan said in Foster:

                                    @MN5 said in Foster:

                                    Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                                    He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                                    Some older guys would put the Bill Osborne/Bruce Robertson combination as a serious alternative to any other one offered.

                                    Yep. They were great, but I think the Conrad/Ma'a combo was a stronger one.

                                    Bruce Robertson was similar to Conrad but probably a bit better (particularly on attack), but Ma'a is fair bit ahead of Bill Osborne. And that's no reflection on Conrad or Bill - far from it.

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                                    #3993

                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                    @Higgins said in Foster:

                                    @canefan said in Foster:

                                    @MN5 said in Foster:

                                    Nonu is as great as DC and McCaw and I’ll fight anyone who claims otherwise

                                    He and Smith are the greatest midfield pair to wear the AB jersey

                                    Some older guys would put the Bill Osborne/Bruce Robertson combination as a serious alternative to any other one offered.

                                    Yep. They were great, but I think the Conrad/Ma'a combo was a stronger one.

                                    Bruce Robertson was similar to Conrad but probably a bit better (particularly on attack), but Ma'a is fair bit ahead of Bill Osborne. And that's no reflection on Conrad or Bill - far from it.

                                    I remember when Osbourne was selected , he was a very different type of 12 than we had been used to at the time ,

                                    More of a 12/13 type rather than a 12/10 type if that makes sense, more of an inside centre than a second five , it was a breath of fresh air to the shape and look of our attack at the time

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                                      My potential future father in law played against Ian Macrae in Hawkes bay club rugby. Said he was a monster before his time.

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                                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                        @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                                        Based on those 'highlights', still Bunce for me

                                        No highlights reel for Robertson sadly, just a few extended Test highlights.

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                                        #3995

                                        @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

                                        @MiketheSnow said in Foster:

                                        Based on those 'highlights', still Bunce for me

                                        No highlights reel for Robertson sadly, just a few extended Test highlights.

                                        Those that watched him will never forget , best centre I’ve seen at putting the winger in open space

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          @Bones he would kept DC at 12 and played Mils at 13.

                                          Nonu at 12 is a certainty for me, 13 could be anyone of Smith, Bunce and Robertson, but like Little/Bunce, its the combo of Nonu/Smith that probably takes it for me.

                                          Individually I loved Bunce, saved his best for AB rugby, but what you hear about Robertson makes me wish I could have seen him play (and have a soft spot for him as I have got to know him personally as well and such a nice guy) obviously Conrad was often compared to Robertson, which probably says it all.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in Foster:

                                          Conrad was often compared to Robertson, which probably says it all.

                                          Seen them both live. Very similar players in many ways - intelligent, calm and utterly solid. Really smart players who could turn a game with a flash of genius. Both would have excelled in any era.

                                          Robertson was more dangerous on attack, could spot a gap appearing before anyone else, drift thru, accelerate away and deliver a perfect pass to his winger. Silky smooth player with good defence and a great boot as well. Conrad would be a better defender, got more involved at the breakdown area, did some off-the-wall passing and as hard as nails.

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