Orlando shooting + terrorism thread

NTA

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The religion Muslims follow is hateful, it preaches murder, it preaches discrimination, repression and slavery. I reserve my disdain for the ideology of Islam. I know there are lots of apologists out there who cannot handle the religion being criticised, I find that support disgusting, I find any ideology that preaches hate and murder and is considered beyond questioning and those that appease it disgusting. </blockquote>
 
Utterly wrong. Those things are WRITTEN in the Quran and Hadith, but they are only PREACHED by those who choose to do so. 
Just like the many, many branches of Christianity follow the same book but choose to use the bits they like. Same as Judaism. 
When someone makes statements in line with forcing Muslims to eat a bacon sandwich while drawing a cartoon of Mohammed, they're no longer attacking the ideology, they're being a willfully ignorant fluffybunny.

Baron Silas Greenback

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Utterly wrong. Those things are WRITTEN in the Quran and Hadith, but they are only PREACHED by those who choose to do so. 
Just like the many, many branches of Christianity follow the same book but choose to use the bits they like. Same as Judaism. 
When someone makes statements in line with forcing Muslims to eat a bacon sandwich while drawing a cartoon of Mohammed, they're no longer attacking the ideology, they're being a willfully ignorant fluffybunny.
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No they are illustrating the zealousness and stupidity of a religion.
Impressive dancing on the head of a pin, get back to me when you see a Muslim preaching that the Quran and Hadiths are wrong.
 
Islam needs a reformation, but that wont happen until the ideology is open to criticism.. and sadly that wont be happening any time time soon as the stupid appeasing piston wristed gibbons in the west have way to much of a hang up about criticising it...

NTA

Maybe it's not "willful" ignorance :think:

NTA

Double post

Baron Silas Greenback

It is definitely wilful ignorance on the part of the appeasers....

reprobate

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yeah yeah... attacking a religion is bigotry.Because you know.. people follow it... cool story. It is the regressive lefts knee jerk response to absolutely any criticism of Islam to accuse people of bigotry and or Islamophobia. They make those terms just lose meaning.
 
The religion Muslims follow is hateful, it preaches murder, it preaches discrimination, repression and slavery. I reserve my disdain for the ideology of Islam. I know there are lots of apologists out there who cannot handle the religion being criticised, I find that support disgusting, I find any ideology that preaches hate and murder and is considered beyond questioning and those that appease it disgusting.
 
But of course feel free to fall, back on the straw man argument of "But not all Muslims kill and murder!" Just because nobody has said they do.. dont let that stop you mounting your high horse and screeching BIGOTRY!!!
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you cross the line between attacking the doctrine and the people more often than not, you frequently make blanket statements on muslims, and you think rules should be applied to all muslims because of the actions of a few.
that is pretty much dictionary definition bigotry. screech screech.

Baron Silas Greenback

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you cross the line between attacking the doctrine and the people more often than not, you frequently make blanket statements on muslims, and you think rules should be applied to all muslims because of the actions of a few.
that is pretty much dictionary definition bigotry. screech screech. 
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Now you are just making stuff up to suit your narrative. I am very careful to attack the ideology.
It would seem you are equally careful to ignore what people say and just make stuff up to suit your desire to appease....
 
All else fails.. just yell bigot.. ever the way of the regressive left.

Would you like to post .. lets say 10 blanket statements I have made about Muslims? According to your narrative I do it often, so it wont be hard. heck is 10 to difficult for you... lets start off with just a few then.
 
Unless of course like your regressive left buddies you are just making shit up and yelling bigot to just shut down discussion?

NTA

Stop hiding / deleting my fucking posts.
 
It was done last time I slapped Baron silly for picking an argument when there wasn't one. Still not happy about that.
 
Plenty of shit from Baron goes without censure here, so show a bit of fucking equality.

Hooroo

IT was a double post, we always delete those

NTA

I noted one as a double post, so that is cool. I put up one about pinhead dancing - it is now gone. Unless Tapatalk fucked it up, someone did it.

Hooroo

Nothing else has been hidden/deleted

NTA

Fair enough. Fuck Tapatalk.

mariner4life

nah, it's gone man

Baron Silas Greenback

I deleted the duplicate.
Something might have gone awry with it. I don't delete posts, I hide them so other mods can still see them. If was going to delete posts out of spite in this thread... you think I would have chosen that one and not reprobates? Seriously?
 
If you don't want posts deleted, stop posting stuff that breaks TSF rules.
 
I can assure other mods have hidden my posts and will do so again, just as I have theirs,.... but you know.. you wouldn't know as you cannot see them!
 
I also usually post in the mod forum explaining the thread and reason so other mods can check it out. 
 
You seem to think I am the only mod who thinks that a good number of your posts cross the line. Good luck with that. You have been banned before, and I argued against it at the time, luckily for you most of the mods that thought you were a complete piston wristed gibbon are no longer very active. I hope they come back. 
Usually I wouldn't bother pointing out the value of other posters posts, those in glass houses, but if you want to discuss moderating, perhaps you need to look at yourself before anything else.
 
Any other discussion on moderating will be removed.

Virgil

To be fair if we all stopped posting shit the fern would cease to exist.

Baron Silas Greenback

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To be fair if we all stopped posting shit the fern would cease to exist.
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To be fair I edited my post to account for that.

MajorRage

Would you guys stop arguing amongst yourself, it's what they want!!
 
Sad state of affairs, that there has been no mention of Turkey.

reprobate

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Now you are just making stuff up to suit your narrative. I am very careful to attack the ideology.
It would seem you are equally careful to ignore what people say and just make stuff up to suit your desire to appease....
 
All else fails.. just yell bigot.. ever the way of the regressive left.
Would you like to post .. lets say 10 blanket statements I have made about Muslims? According to your narrative I do it often, so it wont be hard. heck is 10 to difficult for you... lets start off with just a few then.
 
Unless of course like your regressive left buddies you are just making shit up and yelling bigot to just shut down discussion?
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i'm not going to waste time doing that, but off the top of my head in the last page or so - 'poor muslims...'; nick's reference to your previous 'eat bacon and draw a picture of mohammed' crap; 'won't someone think of the poor people who follow...'.
those are simply attacks on largely decent people - why shouldn't we feel sorry for decent people who are being treated badly because others can't separate doctrine and people? you are saying that they shouldn't get any sympathy because they are muslim - it is bigotry.
 
if that's you being careful i wouldn't like to see you being careless.
 
note: i agree that people being killed is worse than anyone being persecuted over their religion, but that does not make it right - and it is not one or the other.
 
note 2: the victims being largely muslim, i.e. istanbul, seems to provoke a bit of silence from everyone eh?

Baron Silas Greenback

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i'm not going to waste time doing that, but off the top of my head in the last page or so - 'poor muslims...'; nick's reference to your previous 'eat bacon and draw a picture of mohammed' crap; 'won't someone think of the poor people who follow...'.
those are simply attacks on largely decent people - why shouldn't we feel sorry for decent people who are being treated badly because others can't separate doctrine and people? you are saying that they shouldn't get any sympathy because they are muslim - it is bigotry.
 
if that's you being careful i wouldn't like to see you being careless.
 
note: i agree that people being killed is worse than anyone being persecuted over their religion, but that does not make it right - and it is not one or the other.
 
note 2: the victims being largely muslim, i.e. istanbul, seems to provoke a bit of silence from everyone eh? 
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Waste your time backing up your assertion? Why am I not surprised? As I suspect, you a just made up a straw man to argue against because you cannot argue against my disdain of the Islam ideology. I don't blame all Muslims for the actions of a few, that is the fact, not your desperate narrative. I do blame Islam for the actions of the few though. And dont use NTA's version of what I said as some sort of reference for what I actually said.. is that seriously the best you have?
 
 
Where did I say they shouldn't get any sympathy? I just don't have much for them, the supposed hassle they get is trivial compared to the misery their ideology has inflicted and does inflict currently. 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">you cross the line between attacking the doctrine and the people more often than not,
 
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Unmitigated complete and utter bullshit. You will just continue repeating it until you convince yourself. Facts and what people actually say have no relevance to you?
Just keep screaming bigot.. it is about all you have... oh that and making sure threads turn into threads about posters and not the topic.

Rancid Schnitzel

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From the NYC march over the Orlando massacre.
 
Yeah blame the Republicans.. not the Islamic Democrat shooter. 
 
I would love to know what 'logic' these people were following in connecting the Republican party with a disturbed Muslim massacring Homosexuals that his religion wants dead..
 
Oh yeah.... and Hilary Clinton marched with them as well... stay classy Hilary.
 
I can only imagine the media reaction if Trump marched with a bunch of rednecks with a banner.. "Islam hate Kills!"
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/hillary-clinton-new-york-pride-parade-orlando'>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/hillary-clinton-new-york-pride-parade-orlando</a>
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That is seriously fucked up. There was also an instance where a black lives matter activist hijacked a memorial service in Orlando. Apparently it's racist to not include other minorities when mourning the massacre of another minority group.
 
I'm getting pretty disturbed by these types of developments. I vividly remember when I first learnt about Martin Luther King at school and his speech about "...not be judged by the colour of their skin but the content of their character". In other words, he yearned for a world when race or creed wasn't a factor. Yet instead of saying hey we're the human race, lets all be judged equally and be equally held to account for what we say or do, there now seems to be an almost psychopathic focus on highlighting the differences between people. Those that are apparently not sufficiently aware of these differences require "education" to have this rammed down their throats. This cultural appropriation bullshit is also highly disturbing.

The Silver Fern

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