All Blacks vs Wales
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@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Your point was that we don’t criticise the NZ players and blame the ref instead. There is plenty of criticism. It’s possible to point out Barnes’s inconsistency and also the All Blacks. Most people here have been putting the boot into the ABs all year. How have you missed that?
I never said that there was no criticism of players. You have read that into my post all by yourself.
I only said that the continued assertions that we are being cheated by the refs remind me very much of my time on Keo, and I find it tiresome.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Your point was that we don’t criticise the NZ players and blame the ref instead. There is plenty of criticism. It’s possible to point out Barnes’s inconsistency and also the All Blacks. Most people here have been putting the boot into the ABs all year. How have you missed that?
I never said that there was no criticism of players. You have read that into my post all by yourself.
I only said that the continued assertions that we are being cheated by the refs remind me very much of my time on Keo, and I find it tiresome.
I think you are putting words in people's mouths there, there were comments that Barnes has a very poor game, I don't recall anyone stating we were being cheated. I'm sure @MiketheSnow will have his own gripes about Barnes as well, I think both teams struggled with his interpretation of the breakdown.
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Jordie leaps high to regather RMs Cross kick and falls over for the score. If this guy isn't nailed on for 12 now I don't know what to say. Both he and Rieko running hard in the MF was great to see
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Jordie leaps high to regather RMs Cross kick and falls over for the score. If this guy isn't nailed on for 12 now I don't know what to say. Both he and Rieko running hard in the MF was great to see
I know what you are saying, but Jordie was standing on the wing for that try. It was rugby league wing play 101.
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@Joans-Town-Jones As much as I want Akira to succeed he's just a low energy player. He reminds me of my daughter playing soccer. He waddles around the field. Had to have a measure of fitness in 7's. What happened? He sure has some speed when I'm open space. Never lacks for fitness there. Nothing wrong with what he did but tired. Wonder if his psyche is damage from the dominant dude to riding the pine?
And Frizzell, wasn't running onto the ball so he was less effective. And while Blackadder has a better engine he makes little impression in the tackle. A thousand tackles and the other team is still moving forward.
Yes, @canefan, can a 6 step up and put in a dominant performance.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Joans-Town-Jones As much as I want Akira to succeed he's just a low energy player. He reminds me of my daughter playing soccer. He waddles around the field. Had to have a measure of fitness in 7's. What happened? He sure has some speed when I'm open space. Never lacks for fitness there. Nothing wrong with what he did but tired. Wonder if his psyche is damage from the dominant dude to riding the pine?
And Frizzell, wasn't running onto the ball so he was less effective. And while Blackadder has a better engine he makes little impression in the tackle. A thousand tackles and the other team is still moving forward.
Yes, @canefan, can a 6 step up and put in a dominant performance.
Yeah was disappointed in SF today. Maybe the right coach can get AI to fire big time.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wales:
For me we need to try JB and ALB in midfield and Rieko on the wing. But happy if Telea gets a deserved chance v Scotland.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Neither Clarke or Reece looked sharp today. Not that it mattered.
How about for Edinburgh ALB to 13, Reiko Ioane to 11, Stevenson to 14?
Leicester Fainga'anuku more likely. If there's one game that offers a good opportunity to give him more game time, it's the Scotland game. Telea shouldn't be ahead of him, and Stevenson isn't even in the squad.
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Reece had a pretty poor game in a match that I thought might suit him. Things weren’t going his way but he wasn’t looking for much work and he seemed to be getting a bit hot headed right before he was hauled off.
@JC there was a period there where he was joining the pick and go and in around the ruck. He was also supporting the drive. Not a classic wingers game but he was still involved.
We hardly attacked down that side or even when Reece was stationed more centre in a couple of set piece formations he was used as a decoy. And Wales hardly attacked down their left side.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wales:
For me we need to try JB and ALB in midfield and Rieko on the wing. But happy if Telea gets a deserved chance v Scotland.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Neither Clarke or Reece looked sharp today. Not that it mattered.
How about for Edinburgh ALB to 13, Reiko Ioane to 11, Stevenson to 14?
Leicester Fainga'anuku more likely. If there's one game that offers a good opportunity to give him more game time, it's the Scotland game. Telea shouldn't be ahead of him, and Stevenson isn't even in the squad.
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@JC there was a period there where he was joining the pick and go and in around the ruck. He was also supporting the drive. Not a classic wingers game but he was still involved.
We hardly attacked down that side or even when Reece was stationed more centre in a couple of set piece formations he was used as a decoy. And Wales hardly attacked down their left side.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@JC there was a period there where he was joining the pick and go and in around the ruck. He was also supporting the drive. Not a classic wingers game but he was still involved.
We hardly attacked down that side or even when Reece was stationed more centre in a couple of set piece formations he was used as a decoy. And Wales hardly attacked down their left side.
Thought Reece tried hard to provide positive impact the whole time. He just got no opportunities from his team mates.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Id be looking for a Caleb Clarke replacement to be honest.
Stevenson?
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@Stargazer just seems crazy to keep Telea in AB's and miss Baabaas match if he is not going to get a run v Scotland.
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Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
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A Smith darts through to score a great try. Learned from his poor pass in the face of the Welsh rush that gifted Wales 3 points earlier. He should do more of that to keep opposition defensive lines honest
@canefan something people on here been saying for the last couple of years at least...
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What a hilariously derpy game of footy.
It seemed like every time a team did something good, they would immediately do something stupid. Some of those AB penalties were fucking idiotic.
But we fucking smashed them. On the scoreboard and on the pitch. Suddenly last week against Japan makes more sense. We're going to smash teams up front. Deadset we could have selected loose forwards at 11-14 and been a better side. The backs did nothing, got given nothing. 2003 England watched that and thought "gee that's a bit much". I reckon we ignored about 3 overlaps because Mo'unga was happy to watch Smith and the forwards work.
Defence was fucking great too. Except for the dumb ass ruck penalties.
That's a pretty sweet performance and win. Starting forwards will sleep well. Bit of a statement up front actually.
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I think it would be a huge call for Foster to not bring Cane back. Remember how he called Frizell "family"? Cane is even closer to him. This will be interesting.
@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
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Haven't read the thread.
A few thoughts.
Good to see Taylor out of his slump.
Ardie and Papalii work together nicely. Ardie great ball running (and someone finally bought his dummy) whilst Papalii was brilliant I thought.
Not really sure what Frizell is adding.
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
Jordie is easily our best 12.
Wasn't very impressed by either winger. For a guy with a low centre of gravity Clarke really battles with his balance.
Thought the bench was good - Akira in particular.
Don't mind the flexibility of ALB coming on with Rieko sliding out to wing.
Our defence - cripes - it's really annoying to watch - either it's too passive or when it isn't passive it has no discipline - constantly getting pinged for not rolling away, offside etc. It just invites teams to kick deep for territory. Another gamd where McLeod's defence concedes 20+ points. It's ridiculous he's still there.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
