All Blacks vs Wales
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wales:
For me we need to try JB and ALB in midfield and Rieko on the wing. But happy if Telea gets a deserved chance v Scotland.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Neither Clarke or Reece looked sharp today. Not that it mattered.
How about for Edinburgh ALB to 13, Reiko Ioane to 11, Stevenson to 14?
Leicester Fainga'anuku more likely. If there's one game that offers a good opportunity to give him more game time, it's the Scotland game. Telea shouldn't be ahead of him, and Stevenson isn't even in the squad.
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@JC there was a period there where he was joining the pick and go and in around the ruck. He was also supporting the drive. Not a classic wingers game but he was still involved.
We hardly attacked down that side or even when Reece was stationed more centre in a couple of set piece formations he was used as a decoy. And Wales hardly attacked down their left side.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@JC there was a period there where he was joining the pick and go and in around the ruck. He was also supporting the drive. Not a classic wingers game but he was still involved.
We hardly attacked down that side or even when Reece was stationed more centre in a couple of set piece formations he was used as a decoy. And Wales hardly attacked down their left side.
Thought Reece tried hard to provide positive impact the whole time. He just got no opportunities from his team mates.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Id be looking for a Caleb Clarke replacement to be honest.
Stevenson?
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@Stargazer just seems crazy to keep Telea in AB's and miss Baabaas match if he is not going to get a run v Scotland.
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Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
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A Smith darts through to score a great try. Learned from his poor pass in the face of the Welsh rush that gifted Wales 3 points earlier. He should do more of that to keep opposition defensive lines honest
@canefan something people on here been saying for the last couple of years at least...
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What a hilariously derpy game of footy.
It seemed like every time a team did something good, they would immediately do something stupid. Some of those AB penalties were fucking idiotic.
But we fucking smashed them. On the scoreboard and on the pitch. Suddenly last week against Japan makes more sense. We're going to smash teams up front. Deadset we could have selected loose forwards at 11-14 and been a better side. The backs did nothing, got given nothing. 2003 England watched that and thought "gee that's a bit much". I reckon we ignored about 3 overlaps because Mo'unga was happy to watch Smith and the forwards work.
Defence was fucking great too. Except for the dumb ass ruck penalties.
That's a pretty sweet performance and win. Starting forwards will sleep well. Bit of a statement up front actually.
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I think it would be a huge call for Foster to not bring Cane back. Remember how he called Frizell "family"? Cane is even closer to him. This will be interesting.
@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
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Haven't read the thread.
A few thoughts.
Good to see Taylor out of his slump.
Ardie and Papalii work together nicely. Ardie great ball running (and someone finally bought his dummy) whilst Papalii was brilliant I thought.
Not really sure what Frizell is adding.
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
Jordie is easily our best 12.
Wasn't very impressed by either winger. For a guy with a low centre of gravity Clarke really battles with his balance.
Thought the bench was good - Akira in particular.
Don't mind the flexibility of ALB coming on with Rieko sliding out to wing.
Our defence - cripes - it's really annoying to watch - either it's too passive or when it isn't passive it has no discipline - constantly getting pinged for not rolling away, offside etc. It just invites teams to kick deep for territory. Another gamd where McLeod's defence concedes 20+ points. It's ridiculous he's still there.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
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Something I did notice was a big reluctance to move the ball backwards to go forwards if that makes sense. Traditionally we have passed deep to go forward but with rush defence you end up losing metres. Tonight, they kept it close with the ball rarely going that far behind the ruck line. Pick and goes etc are often easy metres. The only issue with this is 13,11,14 are not going to see as much ball as they once did but judging by CC and Reece tonight that might be a good thing.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
Not you personally because I don't know your stance when the AB 15 was named but Fernland is so fickle (not sure that is the word I am looking for?). In the space of one game Gardiner has gone from 'fucking Canterbury bias, what the fuck is Gardiner getting picked for?' to 'how about putting him at 6 for the ABs.'
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Something I did notice was a big reluctance to move the ball backwards to go forwards if that makes sense. Traditionally we have passed deep to go forward but with rush defence you end up losing metres. Tonight, they kept it close with the ball rarely going that far behind the ruck line. Pick and goes etc are often easy metres. The only issue with this is 13,11,14 are not going to see as much ball as they once did but judging by CC and Reece tonight that might be a good thing.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Something I did notice was a big reluctance to move the ball backwards to go forwards if that makes sense. Traditionally we have passed deep to go forward but with rush defence you end up losing metres. Tonight, they kept it close with the ball rarely going that far behind the ruck line. Pick and goes etc are often easy metres. The only issue with this is 13,11,14 are not going to see as much ball as they once did but judging by CC and Reece tonight that might be a good thing.
I wonder how much the humid conditions and slippery ball played a part in that?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
@Machpants so he'd been keeping the powder dry...
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
I haven't watched the whole game yet, but Clarke and Reece seemed to busy themselves with runs closer to the ruck, but otherwise it wasn't a day to be a wide player. Clarke shelled a great opportunity to return a poor Welsh cross kick early, but I'd like to see more chances to run it once we establish dominance
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@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
@game_film said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus Cane should be the guy who gets the call if he’s needed at this stage. Just let him play Super, part of the wider squad and if we get a couple injuries at 7 then there’s a fresh Sam Cane for a game. Just so much wear and tear on the poor guy.
agreed. But only if he is in form and up to speed.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
Not you personally because I don't know your stance when the AB 15 was named but Fernland is so fickle (not sure that is the word I am looking for?). In the space of one game Gardiner has gone from 'fucking Canterbury bias, what the fuck is Gardiner getting picked for?' to 'how about putting him at 6 for the ABs.'
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Must admit that was the most forward orientated performance I have seen in a long time and I have to say I loved it.
I'd love to see the stats on forward carries for the game vs the average for last few years. The pick and goes and just solid tight work laid the foundation for the pretty boys.
We had some obvious mistakes that need working on, but overall I was very happy with that.
6 is still not right IMO, looking forward to more of MMT and Gardiner, might be a bit late for them but love their workrates.
I'd be happy for either, with Akira on the bench (not Frizell).
Not you personally because I don't know your stance when the AB 15 was named but Fernland is so fickle (not sure that is the word I am looking for?). In the space of one game Gardiner has gone from 'fucking Canterbury bias, what the fuck is Gardiner getting picked for?' to 'how about putting him at 6 for the ABs.'
Those sour grapes must taste so sweet!
I'm a wayward Blues fan but had no comment on the XV selection. Just happy MMT and Stevenson (and Lam) were selected and played well. Would probably not have TJP there but he played well (apart from passing) and the replacement looked a bit lost to me (but perhaps that is just the way he looks).
The great majority of the team played well IMHO and looked well-coached! So can't ask for more than that and didn't notice a huge Crusaders/Canterbury bias.Seriously Gardiner looked good almost as big an engine as Blackadder and arguably more accurate (I don't really see EB as a 7-others might disagree). -
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Great to see Aaron Smith running.
THe last time he made a metre was in Arg 2, basically hasn't run for 4 games until now
There appeared to be a number of subtle plays throughout the game and there was a distinct difference in structure and gameplan. I can't help but wonder if Schmidt has been working behind the scenes on some of this. Perhaps Smith is implementing his plan, who knows.
Based on how he had Ireland playing I think its fair to say that the gameplan had Schmidt's fingerprints all over it. None of the helter skelter shit. Very direct and conservative. I would have liked to have seen the backs unleashed a bit more but this is a good starting point and a million times better than the aimless dross against Ireland.
Kind of the basis of test match rugby really
