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  • gt12G gt12

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

    @nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.

    Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.

    I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.

    It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

    @nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.

    Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.

    Yes that should be the least likely to be buggered, someone might like to go game by game to work it out, I can't be bothered.

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    • gt12G gt12

      @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

      @gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.

      @booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.

      Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

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      @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

      @gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.

      @booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.

      Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

      Again, handy having JB's distance..

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      • boobooB booboo

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

        @gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.

        @booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.

        Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

        Again, handy having JB's distance..

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        @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

        @gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.

        @booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.

        Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

        Again, handy having JB's distance..

        I'm surprised we have started using it on exits as we have a bunch of options and should be able to get it there.

        Having said that, it might be something I'd keep for next year with a WC coming.

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        • StargazerS Stargazer

          @nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.

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          @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

          @nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.

          I thought RugbyPass had changed to the same stats as ESPN receive?

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          • ToddyT Toddy

            @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

            @nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.

            I thought RugbyPass had changed to the same stats as ESPN receive?

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            @Toddy Since when? Hadn't heard about that.

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            • gt12G gt12

              @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

              @gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.

              @booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.

              Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

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              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

              Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

              It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                @Toddy Since when? Hadn't heard about that.

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                @Stargazer Not sure when. Have only done a quick check and they now look pretty similar. Defence stats look pretty inline

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                  I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

                    It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.

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                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.

                    It is strange that BB's kicking from hand is so average, and that comes down to technique. DMac can kick the ball a long way for someone his size, Mo'unga is similar but with less range.

                    It's not just distance but control and choice. They all struggle with those factors, however I'd like to see what Dmac could do behind an AB pack.

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                    • No QuarterN No Quarter

                      I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

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                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                      I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

                      Get on board the Havili train fella, plenty of room.

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                      • No QuarterN No Quarter

                        I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

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                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                        I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

                        People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.

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                        • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                          I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

                          People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.

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                          @kiwi_expat Less than a year between McKenzie and Mo'unga.

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                            https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1589830070733918208

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                            • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                              @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                              I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

                              People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.

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                              @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:

                              I'm honestly at a loss who to play at 10. Mo'unga, DMac and Beauden are all much of muchness. I'm starting to learn towards giving DMac a crack just to see if he can be a bit more consistent than the other two.

                              People forget that McKenzie is younger than Barrett & Mo'unga too, he's got a lot to offer at 10 in my opinion. It's clearly his best position.

                              That's pretty surprising, yeah! Wouldn't have picked that.

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                                  @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:

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                                  NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.

                                  If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.

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                                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:

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                                    NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.

                                    If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.

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                                    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:

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                                    NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.

                                    If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.

                                    Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.

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                                      If we adjust for the games that NZ won they'd have a ZERO percent winning record.

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                                      • boobooB booboo

                                        @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:

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                                        NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.

                                        If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.

                                        Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.

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                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:

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                                        NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.

                                        If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.

                                        Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.

                                        Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!

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                                          https://www.instagram.com/p/CkrtO13J9Jy/

                                          angustaavao Spent way too much time getting horizontal this year! Surgery done & dusted to round out 22

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