All Blacks 2022
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
Italy not top 10
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Amazing. Nobody has won more matches against top 10 nations than us. Next we will told that AB's are scoring more points than anyone else and that Fozzie has more records, leading AB's to their quickest and largest rises in World Rugby Rankings.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
No it wasn't, the score in the RWC pool points used that, technically the game was cancelled, administratively that score was used instead of the game result
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
Is there a draw I don't remember because last time I checked we won all of our pool games
The Italy game didn't happen because of the Typhoon so was technically a 0-0 draw.
So we are going to downgrade our record because of a technicality and acts of nature now? Every game we played in 2019 pool play we won, including the one against the eventual champions. Good enough for me
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@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
Well prior to his sabbatical he was the starting first 5 and incumbent goalkicker for the All Blacks, not to mention world player of the year.
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Its not a matter of selecting him or not, but the above is a noticeable (and for me a sad) decline from "then" to "now".
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ and Australia have played each other 8 times since the world cup, 4 of those at Eden Park, with Australia winning 1 out of the 8.
If you were to exclude these match ups both teams would be sitting at around 50%.
Let's just ignore that stats that don't suit our narrative.
Cool. Let's include RWC2019. NZ didn't win every game in their pool, only Japan (beating Scotland and Ireland) and Wales did. Let's add those games to the narrative!
No. Sorry. I've read this post multiple times and it's still not making sense. Please explain?
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@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
Ok. Almost makes some sense now.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
Well prior to his sabbatical he was the starting first 5 and incumbent goalkicker for the All Blacks, not to mention world player of the year.
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Its not a matter of selecting him or not, but the above is a noticeable (and for me a sad) decline from "then" to "now".
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
Ok. Almost makes some sense now.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo just saying the criteria make Japan look far worse than if RWC included. I am interested in the strength of the home factor
Ok. Almost makes some sense now.
Almost? My point is simple, the cutoff seems arbitrary.
Why count games from the last RWC but not the last RWC?
And if we include the last RWC (as I think we should as it is the most important way to gauge the international teams, arguably) the story would be really different from the below and show Japan does not deserve to be 10 out of 10.
Edit even if 10th the game % would show they are not hopeless
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
@Windows97 BB's situation isn't as sad as the fate of players who get overtaken and drop out of the squad entirely. He is still there and can slot in at 10 and 15 when required, which is fortunate because of the lack of depth (particularly at 10).
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@Windows97 BB's situation isn't as sad as the fate of players who get overtaken and drop out of the squad entirely. He is still there and can slot in at 10 and 15 when required, which is fortunate because of the lack of depth (particularly at 10).
@Stargazer That is very true
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2022:
Now he's no longer the starting first 5 and goalkicker.
Their hardly going to change the kicker just because he comes back. Kicking is typically about consistency, might as well use the guy who's able to achieve that.
I'm not saying who should or shouldn't kick goals, or who should or shouldn't be in the team, all I'm trying to say is that his decline from being our first choice #10 and goal kicker to an almost bit player now is, in my mind - sad.
He's the starting 15. Not sure I should feel sad for an All Black in the top XV.
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Yeah, they're revisiting the duel playmaker tactic, and Beauden has played a lot more 15 so it makes sense to put him at the back. It failed at the last RWC as Mo'unga was too green, but in theory it can give us a lot of options on attack, especially with Jordie slotting in at 12 as well. I'm pretty excited about our backline at the moment.
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Yeah, they're revisiting the duel playmaker tactic, and Beauden has played a lot more 15 so it makes sense to put him at the back. It failed at the last RWC as Mo'unga was too green, but in theory it can give us a lot of options on attack, especially with Jordie slotting in at 12 as well. I'm pretty excited about our backline at the moment.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah, they're revisiting the duel playmaker tactic, and Beauden has played a lot more 15 so it makes sense to put him at the back. It failed at the last RWC as Mo'unga was too green, but in theory it can give us a lot of options on attack, especially with Jordie slotting in at 12 as well. I'm pretty excited about our backline at the moment.
It used to be a duel playmaker for sure, with Beaudy stepping in too much. Hopefully that's sorted and they'll share the role better as dual playmakers.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah, they're revisiting the duel playmaker tactic, and Beauden has played a lot more 15 so it makes sense to put him at the back. It failed at the last RWC as Mo'unga was too green, but in theory it can give us a lot of options on attack, especially with Jordie slotting in at 12 as well. I'm pretty excited about our backline at the moment.
It used to be a duel playmaker for sure, with Beaudy stepping in too much. Hopefully that's sorted and they'll share the role better as dual playmakers.
@Machpants And it's not just the dual playmakers as much as kicking options, and thats where it works well with Havili or Jordie at 12, with BB or JB at 15, means you can actually play and kick from wider which stops defence being too settled. If you watch Crusaders Havili plays 2nd playmaker well, and like Jordie can first reciever and run ball up and allow RMo to have space, or if they set up ball get hopefully quick 2nd phase ball to play with.
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I think when Brodie comes back , scooter plays 6 , Akira is on the bench and frizzle misses out .
7 is the bigger headache , I think dalton is going to move ahead of cane in value further, particularly with ability to carry over the gainline as well as do the defensive stuff .
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I think when Brodie comes back , scooter plays 6 , Akira is on the bench and frizzle misses out .
7 is the bigger headache , I think dalton is going to move ahead of cane in value further, particularly with ability to carry over the gainline as well as do the defensive stuff .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wales:
I think when Brodie comes back , scooter plays 6 , Akira is on the bench and frizzle misses out .
7 is the bigger headache , I think dalton is going to move ahead of cane in value further, particularly with ability to carry over the gainline as well as do the defensive stuff .
Shows what a bit of consistent game time in the right position can do for standout super rugby players in top teams might also be something to consider.
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I think when Brodie comes back , scooter plays 6 , Akira is on the bench and frizzle misses out .
7 is the bigger headache , I think dalton is going to move ahead of cane in value further, particularly with ability to carry over the gainline as well as do the defensive stuff .
@kiwiinmelb serious question, has Brodie outplayed Scott at lock?
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@kiwiinmelb serious question, has Brodie outplayed Scott at lock?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb serious question, has Brodie outplayed Scott at lock?
Would you rather have Rettalick in the 23 or Frizzell..
