All Blacks vs Scotland
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@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
Yes from another angle it looked more ah cunning.
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Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Perenara's best ever test. Amazing. What a return.
I know it was off the bench, but fuck he was ever present, on the button with his options and no fannying about. Where has this guy been? He was Christie on roids.
It does show you the value of form (and the NPC).
He had a wonderful NPC campaign and played really well for AB XV last week.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Perenara's best ever test. Amazing. What a return.
I know it was off the bench, but fuck he was ever present, on the button with his options and no fannying about. Where has this guy been? He was Christie on roids.
It does show you the value of form (and the NPC).
He had a wonderful NPC campaign and played really well for AB XV last week.
With Fakatava almost probably out of RWC contention there is room for a more combative HB in the squad. Perenara knows that spot is up for grabs and played like it. Good on him.
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Pressure. In the last couple of years, we've been shit at handling it, played fast and loose and/or made stupid mistakes and lost momentum. But not today. Yeah, we played as poorly as we did against Ireland for much of the match, but we found a way through and that's a big improvement.
Starting off with a bang, we went to absolute mush from minutes 15 to 50. BB was fucking awful with decision making which was even worse, and Havili was shite - and ironically was shite at the things he was supposedly good at and less shite than expected at the things he was supposed to be shite at. Wither ALB? For such an intelligent and calm player, that was his worst game in Black. OK, he's been out for a while and Havili was equally crap, but he's the experienced player and should have taken control. 2/10.
Telea was great. Rock solid, took his chances and wasn't overawed. Clarke struggled and God knows what is going on in his head. He's got so much talent, is great under the high ball, has pace and difficult to bring down, so why doesn't he pin his ears back more often? His defence wasn't all that flash either. No, he was bloody awful.
Never, ever, start Christie again. He's great coming on for the last 20 but he seems to have actually gotten slower. The difference when TJP came on was huge - added a bit of mongrel as well.
Ardie and Paps were superb and Akira had a good first 20 but faded a bit when Scotland were dominating. Sam W was outstanding, I thought, making hit after hit and got his team back on track. He was absolutely immense in defence on the goal-line as well. Didn't see much of Scooter which may or may not be a good thing. The front row was a step down from last week but ramped up when the replacements came on. Both Sami T & Codie Taylor were great and as @bones has said, starting Sami & finishing with Taylor seems the best option.
Overall summary: Brilliant first 15 minutes, a totally shit 50 minutes and a final 15 minutes where the mojo made an appearance again. Not happy with the performance overall, but pretty pleased we found a way to tough it out, calm down, slowly take control and actually win. In a World Cup we need to do this a fair bit. Finally, in may ways it's good we played badly - they'll now go to Twickenham a bit pissed off with their performance
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Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
ALB was terrible at 13, but a decided improvement on DH at 12.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
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@booboo Sam came out of the sheds a little more vocal after a great period by Scotland. And Ardie was too. Also helps in the leadership stakes when your 90 test 1st 5 starts to play with a bit more purpose and not helter skelter
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo Sam came out of the sheds a little more vocal after a great period by Scotland. And Ardie was too. Also helps in the leadership stakes when your 90 test 1st 5 starts to play with a bit more purpose and not helter skelter
Was a little dangled fish hook but he got a bit pushy-shovey a few times. If it was Akira doing that the hate squad would have lost it.
Want to see more composure from him, not just as skipper but as the most experienced guy.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
ALB was terrible at 13, but a decided improvement on DH at 12.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
ALB was terrible at 13, but a decided improvement on DH at 12.
It was interesting seeing the very different formations with Ioane, ALB and Jordie.
Jordie at 2nd 5 with ALB outside him.
ALB closer in and Ioane outside.
Jordie into 1st receiver, Beaudie roaming out back and ALB and Ioane set up close together.
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@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
Yep.
What was even worse is he's normally a safe, controlled player with good defence. Bloody awful tonight.
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While you chaps argue about ALB (and who else is there that can cover 12/13 at a pinch, don't say Goodhue, even he thinks his body may not be up to it)..it is DH that I will focus my wrathful ire upon.
This DH at 12 Project. Must. End! -
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
Experience or talent?
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
Yes from another angle it looked more ah cunning.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
Yes from another angle it looked more ah cunning.
Was it you who mentioned the way he was leaning out of the tackle and only turned in to actually tackle once he had completely accidentally spiked the ball upfield?
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ALB can play 12
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
ALB was terrible at 13, but a decided improvement on DH at 12.
It was interesting seeing the very different formations with Ioane, ALB and Jordie.
Jordie at 2nd 5 with ALB outside him.
ALB closer in and Ioane outside.
Jordie into 1st receiver, Beaudie roaming out back and ALB and Ioane set up close together.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
ALB was terrible at 13, but a decided improvement on DH at 12.
It was interesting seeing the very different formations with Ioane, ALB and Jordie.
Jordie at 2nd 5 with ALB outside him.
ALB closer in and Ioane outside.
Jordie into 1st receiver, Beaudie roaming out back and ALB and Ioane set up close together.
So basically the ABs were better when BB was nowhere near the important decision-making?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
Experience or talent?
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
Experience or talent?
Not a zero sum game. Jordie looks to be a safe option at 12 and we should play him there, but we need a backup and on today's performance it isn't DH.
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1.De Groot
2.Samisoni
3.Lomax
4.Whitelock C
5.Retallick
6.Scott Barrett
7.Papalii
8.Savea
9.Smith
10.Mo’unga
11.
12.Jordie
13. Ioane
14.Telea
15. JordanI’d have Rieko at 11 if we could find a 13.
So probably Reece to 11 or someone else.
Clarke is shite.
Most all black 11’s of old are in double figures for tries at his amount of caps.I wouldn’t even have Beaudy in the 23 at the moment.
McKenzie is knocking on the door and I wouldn’t be surprised to see DMAC starting a knockout game at the World Cup at 10.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
Yes from another angle it looked more ah cunning.
Was it you who mentioned the way he was leaning out of the tackle and only turned in to actually tackle once he had completely accidentally spiked the ball upfield?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@duke said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
That’s rough for Scotland. In the slow mo he didn’t appear to be even looking at the ball.
Amazing how well he batted the ball away without looking at it.
Yes from another angle it looked more ah cunning.
Was it you who mentioned the way he was leaning out of the tackle and only turned in to actually tackle once he had completely accidentally spiked the ball upfield?
Yes, did you see the other angle? It was quite skilful.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
Experience or talent?
Not a zero sum game. Jordie looks to be a safe option at 12 and we should play him there, but we need a backup and on today's performance it isn't DH.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.
Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.
Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.
For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.
And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?
Experience or talent?
Not a zero sum game. Jordie looks to be a safe option at 12 and we should play him there, but we need a backup and on today's performance it isn't DH.
Laumape would be handy . All we need is a bloke who doesn’t get dragged backwards with every carry.
