All Blacks vs Scotland
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@nostrildamus International rugby is a step up. He is a good, not exceptional, super rugby player.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus International rugby is a step up. He is a good, not exceptional, super rugby player.
ok, it is just we are running out of midfield options.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
I didn't say he was perfect. He at least didn't throw an awful intercept pass when he had a man free outside ala DH.
Havili is an absolute handbrake at 12. Hopefully Goodhue is fit and firing next year.
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Havili is an absolute handbrake at 12.
That's a bit unfair. He's currently more of a landmine.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
I didn't say he was perfect. He at least didn't throw an awful intercept pass when he had a man free outside ala DH.
Havili is an absolute handbrake at 12. Hopefully Goodhue is fit and firing next year.
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Frye said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Lienert-Brown fans: he is absolute shit. Should never be anywhere near international rugby. He's slow, he's a bum. Rieko is 100x the player. Deal with it.
He was fine. Better than DH. But certainly not threatening the top XV right now. Hopefully he does put pressure on Reiko next year but I'm very comfortable with the incumbent midfield as it is.
Fyi there are 2 interviews on YouTube with J Barrett and R Ioane on the All Blacks channel. Definitely worth a watch, they've got good banter, a sign they could develop into a pretty decent combination.
Is that you Stephen Donald?
No he wasn’t fine. He made poor reads, lost the ball in contact, fell off tackles.
He did get a little better in the last 15-20, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t good in the period before.
I didn't say he was perfect. He at least didn't throw an awful intercept pass when he had a man free outside ala DH.
Havili is an absolute handbrake at 12. Hopefully Goodhue is fit and firing next year.
No one is disputing that was a shocking pass.
But you make it sound like it was worse than ALB’s terrible YC offence that also resulted in a PT. Cost us points and player in the bin.
I have said this all along with Havili and this was even when he was playing well for the Crusaders that IMO he is in the ABs because of injury until guys like Goodhue and ALB got right.
Do I think he’s good enough, his best is good enough because he has shown he is a multi-skilled player. But we simply haven’t seen enough of it, so unless he plays more consistent he will only be a back up option - which I guess is why he played today and was on the bench last week and if everyone is fit, IMO won’t make the 23 next week.
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We have bumbled through the last 3 years and only for injuries Foster could still have ignored that Papalii is the best 7, Samisoni is the best Hooker and Jordie is the best 12.
The fat fool.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
We have bumbled through the last 3 years and only for injuries Foster could still have ignored that Papalii is the best 7, Samisoni is the best Hooker and Jordie is the best 12.
The fat fool.
People have been told off for that and to go to the Foster thread but I think you might be allowed that comment tonight. It was rocks and diamonds tonight.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@nostrildamus International rugby is a step up. He is a good, not exceptional, super rugby player.
ok, it is just we are running out of midfield options.
@nostrildamus agree. We are thin at that position and keep playing utility type players. Hopefully at school boy level and up we are starting to recruit and play a larger straight running 2nd five instead of focusing on utility value and running rugby at all instances. Should be on posters: second coming of Nonu needed, 110 kgs or less need not apply.
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Jumbled thoughts:
Great atmosphere, we looked totally asleep for the middle 60mins. Felt we got the worst of the ref decisions and didn't get the favorable bounce of the ball. The entire crowd thought Telea's second try wasn't grounded properly (it was) and the noise in the stadium as Jordie nailed the clutch kick to put us 8 ahead was incredible. Our defence is still so passive. Murrayfield is a great stadium, no bad views even up in the cheap seats where we were. Game really turned when Codie and TJ came on, fair play to both of them - I thought they were past it.
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@nostrildamus agree. We are thin at that position and keep playing utility type players. Hopefully at school boy level and up we are starting to recruit and play a larger straight running 2nd five instead of focusing on utility value and running rugby at all instances. Should be on posters: second coming of Nonu needed, 110 kgs or less need not apply.
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DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
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@Bones If Ardie played the game as a second five I have no doubt he would have been good. I don't think he lacks for size. Might be a hungus at times but he is athletic and has the size and height.
@broughie said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones If Ardie played the game as a second five I have no doubt he would have been good. I don't think he lacks for size. Might be a hungus at times but he is athletic and has the size and height.
He switched between midfield and loosies at school.
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Just watching now... Scrum officiating pretty "interesting"
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DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
HAMMER. NAIL. HEAD
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Half-time thoughts
We simply must clone Ardie.
Have our backs looked good at all this year with BB at 10?
Christie is a no from me.
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DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
Playing him was essentially a waste of time in the wider scheme then. Just took away reps from the guys we need to be ready in less than a years time. Except to confirm what we all knew which is that DH isn't the guy we were looking for at 12
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DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
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Sorry to be a broken record, but we need a new defence coach.
Congratulations to Scotland on pushing us so hard. Glad we got over the line!
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Sorry to be a broken record, but we need a new defence coach.
Congratulations to Scotland on pushing us so hard. Glad we got over the line!
I thought the D has been pretty good overall -esp in our 22 - but out wide it has ranged from adequate to dire.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
It would appear we need someone other than DH to cover 12. And that person, whoever they are, probably didn't play at Murrayfield. They would have been better off trying out RTS at 12 because we know what DH brings
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DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
DH was damn awful. Is it Crucial who owes us all an apology?
DH is a damn good player. Under Razor. Unfortunately for DH, Razor isn't the coach and the current coach has the inspiration and coaching ability of a pre-born nat.
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB. We have 10(?) tests left before the QF. We do not have the fucking time to find backups. JB and ALB were more potent on attack in their few minutes running 12 lines than DH all year.
Ma'a Nonu had 70 odd tests at 12. He partnered CS 62 times. We have a 6th of that time between now and the QF to get RI and JB to gel. We have to trust they won't get injured and if they do, the backups will stand-up and do the job.
We just don't have the fucking time.
I have always been quite keen on DH, but I now admit perhaps he is bloody good at super level and the step up is where he struggles maybe. Nothing really to do with coaching , more ability maybe?
And I of the opinion we do need an option at 2nd 5, as I can hear the moans of Jordie is injured and noone there to take over. I actually thought ALB looked ok at 12 when he moved there, and as I always tended to prefer him at 13, maybe he midfeild cover? Though we in reality need 2x 12s as well as 2 x13s.
I did think the game showed that Codie is still a bloody good hooker, and TJ has made the 9 race interesting again, but I not overly convinced on Christie, so that just maybe me.
All in all an 8 point win will do me, that Scot's line up wuth Hogg and Russell in backline is pretty bloody good.
