All Blacks vs Scotland
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew our line defence and in 22 has been mainly decent under McLeod, but it is alot easier to defend there not needing depth in your defence, but when further out we give up so many metres far too easily.
I don't think there's a heck of a lot to "coaching" on the line defence. Comes down to fitness and grit. I wouldn't be too quick to place any of that on McLeod.
I would be quite happy to credit him with the fact we've got to see a lot of on the line defence this year. Practice makes perfect eh?
@Bones I didn't say it was a credit, just that we had been mainly OK under him there...but agree, it was probably due to him it meant we got more practice
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Sorry to be a broken record, but we need a new defence coach.
Congratulations to Scotland on pushing us so hard. Glad we got over the line!
I thought the D has been pretty good overall -esp in our 22 - but out wide it has ranged from adequate to dire.
@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
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@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
Not in this game for sure, but apart from out wide, I don't think it's been that bad.
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Horrible but at least we have a few things straight.
Papali and Savea absolutely must play together, 2 out of 3 settled in the back row.
Let’s get rid of Havilli now.
Beaudan Barrett has not been the answer at 10 for about 5 seasons, for all the blame Hansen got for the semi- final he was spot on with moving BB from 10. His kicking and game control utter shite.
Finlay Christie has had two opportunities now, and I think we know what we have and it’s not enough.
Havilli is done, we have enough options.
Can anyone really tell me Caleb Clarke is the best wing n NZ? If he does not knock someone out in the first minute not sure what he’s good for. Cannot stay upright long enough for an in and away. -
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
It would appear we need someone other than DH to cover 12. And that person, whoever they are, probably didn't play at Murrayfield. They would have been better off trying out RTS at 12 because we know what DH brings
I hindsight, I think you're right. Sense they were hoping to get well on top of the Jocks and the give Perofeta or DH a stint at 15 to see how ALB & Jordie went in midfield. Sadly didn't work out.
I hope that ALB game was a one-off. He's normally really reliable.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
It would appear we need someone other than DH to cover 12. And that person, whoever they are, probably didn't play at Murrayfield. They would have been better off trying out RTS at 12 because we know what DH brings
I hindsight, I think you're right. Sense they were hoping to get well on top of the Jocks and the give Perofeta or DH a stint at 15 to see how ALB & Jordie went in midfield. Sadly didn't work out.
I hope that ALB game was a one-off. He's normally really reliable.
ALB is running in custard. He isn't the answer. He has the brain, but his body can't match the IQ. Neither powerful nor fast.
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Horrible but at least we have a few things straight.
Papali and Savea absolutely must play together, 2 out of 3 settled in the back row.
Let’s get rid of Havilli now.
Beaudan Barrett has not been the answer at 10 for about 5 seasons, for all the blame Hansen got for the semi- final he was spot on with moving BB from 10. His kicking and game control utter shite.
Finlay Christie has had two opportunities now, and I think we know what we have and it’s not enough.
Havilli is done, we have enough options.
Can anyone really tell me Caleb Clarke is the best wing n NZ? If he does not knock someone out in the first minute not sure what he’s good for. Cannot stay upright long enough for an in and away.@DMX said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Horrible but at least we have a few things straight.
Papali and Savea absolutely must play together, 2 out of 3 settled in the back row.
Let’s get rid of Havilli now.
Beaudan Barrett has not been the answer at 10 for about 5 seasons, for all the blame Hansen got for the semi- final he was spot on with moving BB from 10. His kicking and game control utter shite.
Finlay Christie has had two opportunities now, and I think we know what we have and it’s not enough.
Havilli is done, we have enough options.
Can anyone really tell me Caleb Clarke is the best wing n NZ? If he does not knock someone out in the first minute not sure what he’s good for. Cannot stay upright long enough for an in and away.Ethan Blackadder for 6 next year.
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Eating my words here..
TJ has been bloody good, think Christie has had enough of a go... -
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
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Just watched the replay ,alot not to like ,
But I guess withstanding scotlands momentum and finding a way to win is the positive, maybe just a few months ago we panic and lack the composure to rally at the end
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Few knee jerk thoughts after watching another Fozzie rabble.
Tight 5 largely OK heading in to next year. CT back to his better form was pleasing to see.
Paps 100% is our best 7
Ardie is immense.Thought Akira started well especially in first 15mins... Was still solid after that, Frizzel noticeably more direct when he came on, suspect he will start v England...(if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend) But #6 is still wide open
We do need to be more accurate at the breakdown and more adaptable to the varying officiating in this area.
TJ has really put his name back in the conversation for 9, while imo Christie has almost removed himself from the same conversation.
BB needs to put those low percentage kicks away... I'd start RM next week.
DH = no...JB for me.. And build the combo with either ALB or RI.
ALB not great this morning .. But worth working with... Think the main issues were inside him today.
CC... Has to go.. He's a liability, poor hands and poorer defence...and we have too many better options to keep persisting with him.
Back line main area of concern for me, followed by loosies make up with Fozzie selections
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@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew The ABs missed 20% of their tackles in this game. Not good enough.
I suspect a few of those were Telea as well.
He had a good first game, no doubt, but he did slip off a few. -
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
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Few knee jerk thoughts after watching another Fozzie rabble.
Tight 5 largely OK heading in to next year. CT back to his better form was pleasing to see.
Paps 100% is our best 7
Ardie is immense.Thought Akira started well especially in first 15mins... Was still solid after that, Frizzel noticeably more direct when he came on, suspect he will start v England...(if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend) But #6 is still wide open
We do need to be more accurate at the breakdown and more adaptable to the varying officiating in this area.
TJ has really put his name back in the conversation for 9, while imo Christie has almost removed himself from the same conversation.
BB needs to put those low percentage kicks away... I'd start RM next week.
DH = no...JB for me.. And build the combo with either ALB or RI.
ALB not great this morning .. But worth working with... Think the main issues were inside him today.
CC... Has to go.. He's a liability, poor hands and poorer defence...and we have too many better options to keep persisting with him.
Back line main area of concern for me, followed by loosies make up with Fozzie selections
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
if BBBR was available I believe SB would start next weekend
BBBR is available isn't he?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Scotland are champions of not seizing the chance. That was a golden opportunity.
Best ABs were Talea then the bench who were to a man better than those they replaced. Frizzell will start at 6 vs England.
We are really quite crap at the moment.
Oh and I see Razor won.
Yep, the “aura” is still well and truly alive…….for Scotland.
Best chance in god knows how long and they still fucked it.
Since the last time?
2017 and they only went down 22-17. Before that 24-16 in 2014.
Fuck it’s shite being Scottish.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game? Play him at 12 or not at all.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'm sick of these people on here claiming we need to find a second option to JB.
So your answer is not to bother about any back-ups at 12 and just play Jordie there and give bugger-all thought to managing his workload?
The only problem with that is what you do (apart from blaming Foster for being an idiot for not developing MF options) if/when Jordie gets injured.
If it was about managing his workload then why tf even play him in this game?Play him at 12 or not at all.
They wouldn't have played him if Will Jordan was available for 15.
At the end of the day it was patently obvious that DH was a stopgap at best. The idea that he was ever going to be a world class 12 was stoopid.
Maybe. But how does that address the issue of back-up at 12 if Jordie is injured?
