Orlando shooting + terrorism thread

Baron Silas Greenback

How about this.. you dont post about me.. and I wont post about you. Surely that would be best.. in fact it would have been good about 70 posts ago...

reprobate

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I will be happy to answer, once you admit your false narrative and made up bullshit. or at least actually answer my query for proof of your assertion.
 
I know it is the usual regressive left way to throw out false narratives and accusations and just hope they dont get called on them.. 
 
I made a point, and unlike you it was actually about a topic and not a poster. You then decided to started yelling bigot!
 
You don't have to agree with the point, but it was incredibly illustrative that in response, you didn't attack the point, you attacked me. And then you have the cheek to accuse me of name calling.. .. you think you should be allowed to use pejorative terms and nobody else?.. or just your regressive left mates? And then you call me a hypocrite.. lol
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your point with 'poor muslims', as far as i can tell, was that you didn't feel sorry for normal peaceful muslims living in a western democracy who were being mistreated. you lumped them in with terrorists - the implication was clear: why should i feel sorry for these muslims when other muslims are shooting at / bombing 'our' people. that is bigotry. i'm sorry, but i just don't have a nicer word for it - it isn't name-calling, it's simply descriptive.
 
this is not the first time i have explained this, but you can keep saying that i haven't addressed the point if you like.
 
again, i haven't 'yelled' anything. i'm as calm as can be - i think the things you say are wrong, and i'm not going to stop pointing that out and calling them what they are. letting it go unchallenged would be tantamount to accepting your narrative, which i'm not going to do.

Baron Silas Greenback

I didnt say you had to accept what I have to say. What I am saying is dont make shit up that I never said, that is just dishonest and invalidates your argument, and not tomention the fact you started out just attacking me and not bringing anything to the table otherwise, then when challenged about your lies.. you just double down.. before then playing the victim. 
 
And I could continue being descriptive of what I think you are a regressive Islamic apologist who puts appeasement ahead of common sense. Oh.. I am not calling names... I am simply being descriptive apparently.
 
And you are correct I don't think some hurty words is anywhere near as bad as people being murdered. 
 
And you havent addressed anything about your stupid assertion, I keep quoting it to you... and you still don't reply... why? Because you know it is bullshit. Shall I quote it again for you?
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">you cross the line between attacking the doctrine and the people more often than not, you frequently make blanket statements on muslims
 
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reprobate

you keep quoting that, and it confuses me: do you seriously not understand how your initial post was not attacking the doctrine, but rather attacking muslims as a people? i explained it in the post immediately above.
 
something being not as bad as something else does not make it okay. again, i have said this already.
 
what you said is, by definition, bigotry, i've explained that. if you can tell me what it is that i have said that you think is regressive, please do. if you can tell me what you think i am apologising for, please do.
 
seems like you're a have the last word kind of fella eh?

Baron Silas Greenback

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you keep quoting that, and it confuses me: do you seriously not understand how your initial post was not attacking the doctrine, but rather attacking muslims as a people? i explained it in the post immediately above.
 
something being not as bad as something else does not make it okay. again, i have said this already.
 
what you said is, by definition, bigotry, i've explained that. if you can tell me what it is that i have said that you think is regressive, please do. if you can tell me what you think i am apologising for, please do.
 
seems like you're a have the last word kind of fella eh?
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Well you had the first word about me so I think it is only fair if I have the last word about you... but you clearly want to just have the last word aye... otherwise you woould have stopped posting about 50 posts ago... but of course as a regressive left that would not make sense... your cloak of sanctimony makes it impossible. 
 
I dont think you are apologising for anything. I think you should apologise for just making stuff up. But of course you never will.
 
I will spell it for you.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">you cross the line between attacking the doctrine and the people more often than not,
 
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Is just blatantly false, and just feeds your constructed narrative. You have managed to come up with one supposed example. Do you know what 'more often than not' means? Shall we have a competition.. lets settle it once and for all. I will post examples of where I criticise ideology of Islam and you post where I criticize Muslims. Loser runs out of examples first.
 
Whoever loses stops posting here.
 
Deal?

Baron Silas Greenback

I will start... seems fair.. and just from this thread..
 
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It is an Islam thing. Lets assume that the guy was homosexual, his religion told him to hate and murder gays. When the guy was already fucked in the head, following a religion that hates homosexuals and wants them all dead.. that is an issue.
Not being fucked in the head would have helped.. not following a hateful religion would have helped.
 
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reprobate

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Well you had the first word about me so I think it is only fair if I have the last word about you... but you clearly want to just have the last word aye... otherwise you woould have stopped posting about 50 posts ago... but of course as a regressive left that would not make sense... your cloak of sanctimony makes it impossible. 
 
I dont think you are apologising for anything. I think you should apologise for just making stuff up. But of course you never will.
 
I will spell it for you.
 
 
Is just blatantly false, and just feeds your constructed narrative. You have managed to come up with one supposed example. Do you know what 'more often than not' means? Shall we have a competition.. lets settle it once and for all. I will post examples of where I criticise ideology of Islam and you post where I criticize Muslims. Loser runs out of examples first.
 
Whoever loses stops posting here.
 
Deal?
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if i'm not apologising for anything, how can i be an apologist? if you're not sure what they mean, you should stop parroting these phrases: islam apologist, regressive left, cloak of sanctimony etc, and try thinking for yourself.
 
does this proposed competition mean that you are now accepting that your initial post was bigotry, attacking muslim people in general as opposed to the doctrine?
you want to turn it into a percentage of posts game now?

Baron Silas Greenback

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does this proposed competition mean that you are now accepting that your initial post was bigotry, attacking muslim people in general as opposed to the doctrine?
you want to turn it into a percentage of posts game now?
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Wow.. you comprehension is incredibly shite. But just for you.. no.. I am not admitting any such thing. 
 
It is about pointing out that like another Islamic apologists you just make stuff up about what other say to suit your narrative. You dont care about what people actually say,. you jjst care that they dont agree with you, u get frustrated at your inability to actually form an argument on what they say, so you invent stuff.
 
Now .. you going to take that bet?

reprobate

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Wow.. you comprehension is incredibly shite. But just for you.. no.. I am not admitting any such thing. 
 
It is about pointing out that like another Islamic apologists you just make stuff up about what other say to suit your narrative. You dont care about what people actually say,. you jjst care that they dont agree with you, u get frustrated at your inability to actually form an argument on what they say, so you invent stuff.
 
Now .. you going to take that bet?
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i could do with a bit of help with my comprehension actually.... apologists don't apologise, but they do make stuff up... why wouldn't you just call them liars?
 
am i going to play a game in which the loser stops posting here? i don't really know how to respond to that, given that you didn't like it when i called you childish last time.

jegga

This should kick off a couple more pages
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/'>http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/</a>

Baron Silas Greenback

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i could do with a bit of help with my comprehension actually.... apologists don't apologise, but they do make stuff up... why wouldn't you just call them liars?
 
am i going to play a game in which the loser stops posting here? i don't really know how to respond to that, given that you didn't like it when i called you childish last time.
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No, it is actually more about proving how full of shit you actually are.

reprobate

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No, it is actually more about proving how full of shit you actually are.
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well you're doing a sterling job of that.

reprobate

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This should kick off a couple more pages
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/'>http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/</a>
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you see, from a very cursory inspection i don't have a problem with that site at all. here's a quote from it:
 
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of the book they consider sacred be vandalized. Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds. 
 
Which is entirely in line with my criticism of the baron's initial post saying he had no sympathy for muslims being mistreated.
 
and also the ramadan bombathon is pretty sweet.

Baron Silas Greenback

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well you're doing a sterling job of that.
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I know, but to be fair you make it quite easy. You being a someone who just makes up a narrative to argue against helps no end.
 
And what were you saying about having to have the last word?

Baron Silas Greenback

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I will be happy to answer, once you admit your false narrative and made up bullshit. or at least actually answer my query for proof of your assertion.
 
I know it is the usual regressive left way to throw out false narratives and accusations and just hope they dont get called on them.. 
 
I made a point, and unlike you it was actually about a topic and not a poster. You then decided to started yelling bigot!
 
You don't have to agree with the point, but it was incredibly illustrative that in response, you didn't attack the point, you attacked me. And then you have the cheek to accuse me of name calling.. .. you think you should be allowed to use pejorative terms and nobody else?.. or just your regressive left mates? And then you call me a hypocrite.. lol
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Again with making stuff up.
 
I never said I have no sympathy, just not much on the scale of things.
 
 
This is what I said
 
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Oh yeah.. poor Muslims.. my heart bleeds.
Must be horrible to have all those nasty words said about your religion. Much better to have bullets and bombs thrown at you.
 
Islam just says to murder gays. How dare people criticise that?? Wont someone think of the poor people who follow such a hateful religion?
 
If all else fails.. just blame Trump.
 
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I stand by it, I think Muslims or others crying about mean words being said about the religion they chose to follow is nothing compared to actually murdering people. I would prefer nobody was attacked. But there is a scale to these things. 
 
At no point have I said I have no sympathy, this is just another example of your dishonesty. I even corrected your assertion already... yet you persist.

jegga

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you see, from a very cursory inspection i don't have a problem with that site at all. here's a quote from it:
 
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of the book they consider sacred be vandalized. Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds. 
 
Which is entirely in line with my criticism of the baron's initial post saying he had no sympathy for muslims being mistreated.
 
and also the ramadan bombathon is pretty sweet.
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I agree with all that too, it also points out the amount of muslims killed by feral muslims .

reprobate

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Again with making stuff up.
 
I never said I have no sympathy, just not much on the scale of things.
 
 
This is what I said
 
 
 
I stand by it, I think Muslims or others crying about mean words being said about the religion they chose to follow is nothing compared to actually murdering people. I would prefer nobody was attacked. But there is a scale to these things. 
 
At no point have I said I have no sympathy, this is just another example of your dishonesty. I even corrected your assertion already... yet you persist.
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but the article which you were talking about was about muslims being mistreated. at no stage did it, or anyone else, compare levels of sympathy for victims of violence to that. except you. and yet you are the one who keeps saying 'straw man'.
your implication was clearly that they didn't deserve sympathy because they were muslim. you're not real good at admitting when you do something wrong eh?

Baron Silas Greenback

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but the article which you were talking about was about muslims being mistreated. at no stage did it, or anyone else, compare levels of sympathy for victims of violence to that. except you. and yet you are the one who keeps saying 'straw man'.
your implication was clearly that they didn't deserve sympathy because they were muslim. you're not real good at admitting when you do something wrong eh?
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My implication? According to you. I dont care what you think the implications are, you are a proven liar.
 
and an apologist for ISIS.. see what i did there? Why do you support ISIS anyway?

reprobate

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My implication? According to you. I dont care what you think the implications are, you are a proven liar.
 
and an apologist for ISIS.. see what i did there? Why do you support ISIS anyway?
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um.. set up another straw man? evaded the subject? engaged in patently false name-calling? personal abuse? claimed a false premise in order to draw a conclusion?
 
nothing new, really.

Baron Silas Greenback

Pot ... kettle....
 
SO regressive... all those things are great when you do them right?
 
So why do you support ISIS?

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