Orlando shooting + terrorism thread

Baron Silas Greenback

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i could do with a bit of help with my comprehension actually.... apologists don't apologise, but they do make stuff up... why wouldn't you just call them liars?
 
am i going to play a game in which the loser stops posting here? i don't really know how to respond to that, given that you didn't like it when i called you childish last time.
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No, it is actually more about proving how full of shit you actually are.

reprobate

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No, it is actually more about proving how full of shit you actually are.
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well you're doing a sterling job of that.

reprobate

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This should kick off a couple more pages
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/'>http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/</a>
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you see, from a very cursory inspection i don't have a problem with that site at all. here's a quote from it:
 
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of the book they consider sacred be vandalized. Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds. 
 
Which is entirely in line with my criticism of the baron's initial post saying he had no sympathy for muslims being mistreated.
 
and also the ramadan bombathon is pretty sweet.

Baron Silas Greenback

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well you're doing a sterling job of that.
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I know, but to be fair you make it quite easy. You being a someone who just makes up a narrative to argue against helps no end.
 
And what were you saying about having to have the last word?

Baron Silas Greenback

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I will be happy to answer, once you admit your false narrative and made up bullshit. or at least actually answer my query for proof of your assertion.
 
I know it is the usual regressive left way to throw out false narratives and accusations and just hope they dont get called on them.. 
 
I made a point, and unlike you it was actually about a topic and not a poster. You then decided to started yelling bigot!
 
You don't have to agree with the point, but it was incredibly illustrative that in response, you didn't attack the point, you attacked me. And then you have the cheek to accuse me of name calling.. .. you think you should be allowed to use pejorative terms and nobody else?.. or just your regressive left mates? And then you call me a hypocrite.. lol
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Again with making stuff up.
 
I never said I have no sympathy, just not much on the scale of things.
 
 
This is what I said
 
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Oh yeah.. poor Muslims.. my heart bleeds.
Must be horrible to have all those nasty words said about your religion. Much better to have bullets and bombs thrown at you.
 
Islam just says to murder gays. How dare people criticise that?? Wont someone think of the poor people who follow such a hateful religion?
 
If all else fails.. just blame Trump.
 
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I stand by it, I think Muslims or others crying about mean words being said about the religion they chose to follow is nothing compared to actually murdering people. I would prefer nobody was attacked. But there is a scale to these things. 
 
At no point have I said I have no sympathy, this is just another example of your dishonesty. I even corrected your assertion already... yet you persist.

jegga

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you see, from a very cursory inspection i don't have a problem with that site at all. here's a quote from it:
 
The Muslims that you know are not terrorists. More than likely, their interests in life are similar to yours and they have the same ambitions for their children. They should neither be shunned, mistreated, nor disrespected merely because of their religion. Their property should not be abused, and neither should copies of the book they consider sacred be vandalized. Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds. 
 
Which is entirely in line with my criticism of the baron's initial post saying he had no sympathy for muslims being mistreated.
 
and also the ramadan bombathon is pretty sweet.
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I agree with all that too, it also points out the amount of muslims killed by feral muslims .

reprobate

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Again with making stuff up.
 
I never said I have no sympathy, just not much on the scale of things.
 
 
This is what I said
 
 
 
I stand by it, I think Muslims or others crying about mean words being said about the religion they chose to follow is nothing compared to actually murdering people. I would prefer nobody was attacked. But there is a scale to these things. 
 
At no point have I said I have no sympathy, this is just another example of your dishonesty. I even corrected your assertion already... yet you persist.
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but the article which you were talking about was about muslims being mistreated. at no stage did it, or anyone else, compare levels of sympathy for victims of violence to that. except you. and yet you are the one who keeps saying 'straw man'.
your implication was clearly that they didn't deserve sympathy because they were muslim. you're not real good at admitting when you do something wrong eh?

Baron Silas Greenback

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but the article which you were talking about was about muslims being mistreated. at no stage did it, or anyone else, compare levels of sympathy for victims of violence to that. except you. and yet you are the one who keeps saying 'straw man'.
your implication was clearly that they didn't deserve sympathy because they were muslim. you're not real good at admitting when you do something wrong eh?
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My implication? According to you. I dont care what you think the implications are, you are a proven liar.
 
and an apologist for ISIS.. see what i did there? Why do you support ISIS anyway?

reprobate

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My implication? According to you. I dont care what you think the implications are, you are a proven liar.
 
and an apologist for ISIS.. see what i did there? Why do you support ISIS anyway?
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um.. set up another straw man? evaded the subject? engaged in patently false name-calling? personal abuse? claimed a false premise in order to draw a conclusion?
 
nothing new, really.

Baron Silas Greenback

Pot ... kettle....
 
SO regressive... all those things are great when you do them right?
 
So why do you support ISIS?

reprobate

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Pot ... kettle....
 
SO regressive... all those things are great when you do them right?
 
So why do you support ISIS?
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you keep using that word.... i do not think you know what it means.

Baron Silas Greenback

What you think isn't really important. 
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">â€œRegressive Leftâ€ is a political epithet used to describe those within the liberal camp who advocate progressive values but also tolerate certain illiberal ideologies in defense of multiculturalism, most often in the context of radical extremism within
 
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canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="593755" data-time="1467529058">What you think isn't really important. </blockquote>Nothing like good honest debate

Baron Silas Greenback

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Nothing like good honest debate
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Reprobate gave up the honest part long ago......

reprobate

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What you think isn't really important. 
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such an angry man. 
 
i don't fit the regressive definition you've given unfortunately - i'm opposed to religious extremism, and opposed to anybody hurting or oppressing anybody else. 
you don't seen to understand that someone can be opposed to that, and at the same time be tolerant towards muslims who are not hurting anyone... which suggests a pretty simplistic view of things. 
 
let's put it in little words:
 
just because i don't agree with you, does not mean i support ISIS.
 
but you're welcome to ask me again why i support them. free speech is good, innit.

Baron Silas Greenback

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such an angry man. 
 
i don't fit the regressive definition you've given unfortunately - i'm opposed to religious extremism, and opposed to anybody hurting or oppressing anybody else. 
you don't seen to understand that someone can be opposed to that, and at the same time be tolerant towards muslims who are not hurting anyone... which suggests a pretty simplistic view of things. 
 
let's put it in little words:
 
just because i don't agree with you, does not mean i support ISIS.
 
but you're welcome to ask me again why i support them. free speech is good, innit.
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But you said you support ISIS. Why do you? Is it because they kill gays?
Why do you hate gays? 
Just making up stuff and claiming others said it is fun! I can see why you are addicted to it.
 
Remember when you talked about having the last word?

reprobate

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But you said you support ISIS. Why do you? Is it because they kill gays?
Why do you hate gays? 
Just making up stuff and claiming others said it is fun! I can see why you are addicted to it.
 
Remember when you talked about having the last word?
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yep, and this is why i'm not letting you have the last word me old mate. this is your usual style: rant and abuse until the other person gets sick of it and leaves you to it - and somehow you think you can claim that as a victory for your argument. 
 
i've done my best to explain to you why what you said was wrong - in response, here we are with you telling me i support ISIS and hate gays. i think imma gonna have to call you childish again soon.

Baron Silas Greenback

Canefan can have the last word on this particular sup topic.

gollum

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My implication? According to you. I dont care what you think the implications are, you are a proven liar.
 
and an apologist for ISIS.. see what i did there? Why do you support ISIS anyway?
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No, it is actually more about proving how full of shit you actually are.
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Its the level of thought that goes into these that impresses me. It really does.

gollum

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The Silver Fern

Orlando shooting + terrorism thread