All Blacks v England
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
Well as far as I know
mean shit so?........ and jordie is our best 12?@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
Well as far as I know
mean shit so?........ and jordie is our best 12?Long story short: I've been vocally campaigning for him being at 12 for about 5 years. The
is me woefully failing to be humble about it towards the doubters, of which there were many. -
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Forwards were fantastic.
Overall happy with 2022
I'd prefer if 10 and 15 stopped looking for the miracle plays at times and stick to basics. High risk cross kicks not good.
Pick and goes, short ball to the wingers, JB on the cut
We have enough firepower up front to be competitive.
SB silenced the 6 doubters
Paps is locked in now -
Forwards were fantastic.
Overall happy with 2022
I'd prefer if 10 and 15 stopped looking for the miracle plays at times and stick to basics. High risk cross kicks not good.
Pick and goes, short ball to the wingers, JB on the cut
We have enough firepower up front to be competitive.
SB silenced the 6 doubters
Paps is locked in now@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Paps is locked in now
I'll be quite perturbed if they go back to Cane.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench. Both are found wanting at this level anyway, not sure why we thought they'd be adequate to come on at the end of a big test. That was poor selection but for some reason the coaches love those two players despite repeatedly poor performances.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
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CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular starting@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Paps is locked in now
I'll be quite perturbed if they go back to Cane.
@Tim said in All Blacks v England:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Paps is locked in now
I'll be quite perturbed if they go back to Cane.
When.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
Sevu was pretty quiet in his outings on this tour.
Will Jordan is locked in unless we need him to shift to 15.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
Sevu was pretty quiet in his outings on this tour.
Will Jordan is locked in unless we need him to shift to 15.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
Sevu was pretty quiet in his outings on this tour.
Will Jordan is locked in unless we need him to shift to 15.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
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@Chris-B We really, really need WJ at fullback.
@Old-Samurai-Jack
If I was coach this would be priority. Things aren't quite right in the backs -
@booboo Sevu was really quiet vs Japan and Wales. Lost his place to Telea, but I sort of hope he comes back, because he can cover both wings, which is otherwise problematic in a RWC squad.
On the other hand, if Will is moved to fullback then Telea's height is handy on the right wing - and maybe he starts and Sevu is cover on both sides.
@OSJ - Yeah - we need to give Will a couple of runs at 15 if Jordie is being locked in at 12.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
Never released for mine
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So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
Yeah, Mo'unga has probably been the biggest disappointment, not because he's been absolutely dreadful, but because the cupboard is bare so we really needed him to step up, but he's just as flaky now as he was when he first came into the ABs. I think we should have a good look at DMac next year, he's really matured as a player and as all of the skills to do very well in the position.
It was criminal to give Perofeta so little gametime in black this year.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
Clear YC for me. Not even debatable imo
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
I can tell you now that I absolutely will not be watching that last 15 minutes again
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To give credit England played very well at the end
