All Blacks v England
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@booboo said in All Blacks v England:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
CC good game.
Telea making a strong case for regular startingI'm not uncomfortable with Telea, but don't think he's significantly better than our other options. Particularly Reece.
Sevu was pretty quiet in his outings on this tour.
Will Jordan is locked in unless we need him to shift to 15.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
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@Chris-B We really, really need WJ at fullback.
@Old-Samurai-Jack
If I was coach this would be priority. Things aren't quite right in the backs -
@booboo Sevu was really quiet vs Japan and Wales. Lost his place to Telea, but I sort of hope he comes back, because he can cover both wings, which is otherwise problematic in a RWC squad.
On the other hand, if Will is moved to fullback then Telea's height is handy on the right wing - and maybe he starts and Sevu is cover on both sides.
@OSJ - Yeah - we need to give Will a couple of runs at 15 if Jordie is being locked in at 12.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
Never released for mine
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So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
Yeah, Mo'unga has probably been the biggest disappointment, not because he's been absolutely dreadful, but because the cupboard is bare so we really needed him to step up, but he's just as flaky now as he was when he first came into the ABs. I think we should have a good look at DMac next year, he's really matured as a player and as all of the skills to do very well in the position.
It was criminal to give Perofeta so little gametime in black this year.
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Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v England:
Stan seemed to have come up short with replays, would have liked to see the BB yellow card again looked like fine line between technically correct or not ie made tackle, got to his feet and competed for ball. To do that must have been some clear release
Clear YC for me. Not even debatable imo
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
I can tell you now that I absolutely will not be watching that last 15 minutes again
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To give credit England played very well at the end
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To give credit England played very well at the end
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
To give credit England played very well at the end
I agree. But the disappointing thing was our inability to kick deep into their territory and try to let our defence try to hem them in and force mistakes. Just a failure to control the match when we needed to
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
I can tell you now that I absolutely will not be watching that last 15 minutes again
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
I can tell you now that I absolutely will not be watching that last 15 minutes again
G'wan Father. Have a cup of tea!
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
To give credit England played very well at the end
I agree. But the disappointing thing was our inability to kick deep into their territory and try to let our defence try to hem them in and force mistakes. Just a failure to control the match when we needed to
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Much like dumb players still prepared to walk the very thin line between dominant tackle and a card of either colour when will players realise that it’s better for the team and game management to ‘let’ the opposition score what is almost a certain try rather than trying to prevent it and getting carded?
With 10 mins to go, having a full complement on the pitch far outweighs 5 possibly 7 points
That’s coaching
And it’s bad, outdated coaching
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@canefan kicking deep seems to have gone out of favour
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan kicking deep seems to have gone out of favour
The Crusaders turned it into an art form. All those titles show it works. We were up against a team who are limited offensively and would struggle to travel the length of the field to score and preferred to take lower percentage options that gave the ball back in attacking positions
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Much like dumb players still prepared to walk the very thin line between dominant tackle and a card of either colour when will players realise that it’s better for the team and game management to ‘let’ the opposition score what is almost a certain try rather than trying to prevent it and getting carded?
With 10 mins to go, having a full complement on the pitch far outweighs 5 possibly 7 points
That’s coaching
And it’s bad, outdated coaching
@MiketheSnow It's an interesting point, Mike - but, I kind of wonder at what point the moneyball analysts agree with you.
The "most penalized" teams often seem to be among the most successful.
Giving up totally stupid cards seems counter-intuitive, but I wonder what proportion are actually given. Lots aren't when a team scores anyway.
No idea about the stats, but I wonder.
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Don't want to harp on but there must be some old Fox footage strangling the life out of the opposition with laser guided wipers to the corners
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Don't want to harp on but there must be some old Fox footage strangling the life out of the opposition with laser guided wipers to the corners
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Don't want to harp on but there must be some old Fox footage strangling the life out of the opposition with laser guided wipers to the corners
Even Mehrts or DC knew the way
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Don't want to harp on but there must be some old Fox footage strangling the life out of the opposition with laser guided wipers to the corners
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Don't want to harp on but there must be some old Fox footage strangling the life out of the opposition with laser guided wipers to the corners
And if they don't get it, a try is probably only 4 points anyway so who cares. Plus you can just ruck the opposition players on the ground and surely Brodie can jump higher than the England forwards in the lineout without lifting as that's illegal.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
Yeah, Mo'unga has probably been the biggest disappointment, not because he's been absolutely dreadful, but because the cupboard is bare so we really needed him to step up, but he's just as flaky now as he was when he first came into the ABs. I think we should have a good look at DMac next year, he's really matured as a player and as all of the skills to do very well in the position.
It was criminal to give Perofeta so little gametime in black this year.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v England:
So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
Yeah, Mo'unga has probably been the biggest disappointment, not because he's been absolutely dreadful, but because the cupboard is bare so we really needed him to step up, but he's just as flaky now as he was when he first came into the ABs. I think we should have a good look at DMac next year, he's really matured as a player and as all of the skills to do very well in the position.
It was criminal to give Perofeta so little gametime in black this year.
Beauden is definitely not the answer at 10 either. (I notice you've given up flogging that horse)
Both have been given untold chances to improve their game management and both have failed in this aspect.Totally agree DMac should be seriously looked at.
It'll be harder for Perofeta because BB will probably play at 10 for the Blues next year.
