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    @ARHS said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    Hopefully RM can become far more assertive in closing out matches and far more accurate in execution when not under pressure

    lol this is fantasy stuff

    There's basically only Super rugby between now and the World Cup

    RM will go back to kicking duels against even worse players than him, look great doing it, and walk in to the 10 jersey next year/ Seriously, he only has to win kicking duels against other noodle-legged NZ 10s, and a bunch of park footballers masquerading as professional 10s in Australia (there is a reason Rennie prays for Cooper to miraculously recover for next year, ever other option he has is club standard).

    We'll get to the World Cup and our lads will wonder why the fuck their kicks that look so good in March at Hamilton suddenly disappear back over their heads.

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    I don't mind the thought of a positional 10 as it makes sense, however they have been playing dual playmakers now for so long, I can't see any strategic change. I can only hope that all 10s use the beginning of 2023 to begin their meteoric form rise because that cupboard just has crumbs

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    @bayimports said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    I don't mind the thought of a positional 10 as it makes sense, however they have been playing dual playmakers now for so long, I can't see the any strategic change. I can only hope that all 10s use the beginning of 2023 to begin their meteoric form rise because that cupboard just has crumbs

    Need a new Mehrts to rise in a WC year like in 94/95 and be trusted by the coaches. Zero chance of either happening

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    #177

    So:
    Squad depth:

    1. De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
    2. Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland, Bell, Thompson
    3. Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
    4. Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
    5. Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
    6. S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
    7. Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
    8. Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
    9. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, Roigard, Roe
    10. R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
    11. Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
    12. J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili, T Umaga-Jensen, P Umaga-Jensen
    13. R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor, Proctor
    14. Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Stevenson, Nareki
    15. Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan, Stevenson
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    #178

    @Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    So:
    Squad depth:

    1. De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
    2. Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
    3. Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
    4. Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
    5. Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
    6. S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
    7. Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
    8. Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
    9. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
    10. R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
    11. Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
    12. J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
    13. R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
    14. Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
    15. Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan

    close man but there might be maybe 2 or 3 professional rugby players in NZ that you missed.

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    #179

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    So:
    Squad depth:

    1. De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
    2. Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
    3. Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
    4. Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
    5. Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
    6. S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
    7. Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
    8. Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
    9. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
    10. R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
    11. Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
    12. J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
    13. R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
    14. Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
    15. Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan

    close man but there might be maybe 2 or 3 professional rugby players in NZ that you missed.

    Do yah want me to do 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th options?...

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    @Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    1. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?

    Roigard will be likely Hurricanes number 1 halfback while TJ is injured. Who is TTT playing for next year and who will cover TJ injury at Canes.

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    @mikedogz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    1. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?

    Roigard will be likely Hurricanes number 1 halfback while TJ is injured. Who is TTT playing for next year and who will cover TJ injury at Canes.

    TTT is at the Landers covering for Fakatava.

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    @booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    On the subject of halfbacks, seems TJP has blown an ACL. Out for 9 months.

    Pretty much rules him out of RWC.

    Achilles not ACL as I first heard on SENZ.

    But 9 months nonetheless.

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    @booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    On the subject of halfbacks, seems TJP has blown an ACL. Out for 9 months.

    Pretty much rules him out of RWC.

    Achilles not ACL as I first heard on SENZ.

    But 9 months nonetheless.

    I reckon a pro sportsperson could be back within 6 months with no complications.

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    @Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    So:
    Squad depth:

    1. De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
    2. Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
    3. Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
    4. Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
    5. Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
    6. S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
    7. Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
    8. Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
    9. Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
    10. R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
    11. Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
    12. J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
    13. R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
    14. Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
    15. Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
    1. Thompson, Bell ??
    2. Wouldn’t rate IWL
    3. Roigard Roe
        1. Stevenson

    Fact is we'd get by with a reasonable level of rugbying and make it out of pool play even losing our top XV (whoever that actually is).

    Not much further ... but we do have depth

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    Could we add Billy Proctor to this list ? He is highly rated by the Canes and by the Lions coaches (not by the Ferners though). Not brilliant, but sound and reliable in defensive situations. He is not going to win you a game, but he is not going to make you lose it either.

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    @cgrant said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    he is not going to make you lose it either

    I'd need a lot more convincing.

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    question re depth, would anyone else prefer for our 3rd and 4th choice players in a squad to generally be younger guys coming through?

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    Could go on a few threads this. We mostly hate him but a few of these points have been discussed on here by the fern, potentially he stole our material and then added his sour tone to it..

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300745980/how-the-all-blacks-are-destroying-their-key-playmaker-richie-mounga

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    @bayimports I unfortunately read it

    Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.

    Absolutely packed with bullshit though.

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    @mariner4life

    His point kept changing and I agree a lot of it is vent but I do agree with that Foster needs to the the combo of RM and JB a good run together barring injury.
    Also agree that I think in context of that match the drop goal was wrong option, although didn’t really think it added to his central point lol

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @bayimports I unfortunately read it

    Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.

    Absolutely packed with bullshit though.

    Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.

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    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @bayimports I unfortunately read it

    Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.

    Absolutely packed with bullshit though.

    Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.

    Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

    @bayimports I unfortunately read it

    Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.

    Absolutely packed with bullshit though.

    Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.

    Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.

    Yeah I was thinking something similar as I typed.

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