Foster, Robertson etc
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@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster and his preferred coaches were a package.
As mentioned, I don't think NZR had a problem with packages. But probably did with Robertson's "here's my package, take it or leave it" approach - particularly when his international experience was both minimal and patchy.
This sounds like one of the other assumptions that you've posted in this thread without it being based on evidence. I'd love to see a source where you base this assumption on.
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster and his preferred coaches were a package.
As mentioned, I don't think NZR had a problem with packages. But probably did with Robertson's "here's my package, take it or leave it" approach - particularly when his international experience was both minimal and patchy.
This sounds like one of the other assumptions that you've posted in this thread without it being based on evidence. I'd love to see a source where you base this assumption on.
"Crusaders coach Scott Robertson has revealed he's only interested in being the next All Blacks head coach. Robertson won't consider being an assistant in the process to appoint Steve Hansen's successor."
From the man's own mouth. Sounds like a take it or leave it approach to me.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
"Schmidt, who had not travelled to South Africa, was encouraged by NZR to meet Robertson to determine whether they could work together."
"The first and most important development was that Schmidt ruled out working with Robertson after the two had met. Schmidt, it is believed, explained that he felt a loyalty to Foster and discomfort at being asked to meet with another potential head coach."
And, as I said, it's moot whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson - but we'll never know
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@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
"Schmidt, who had not travelled to South Africa, was encouraged by NZR to meet Robertson to determine whether they could work together."
"The first and most important development was that Schmidt ruled out working with Robertson after the two had met. Schmidt, it is believed, explained that he felt a loyalty to Foster and discomfort at being asked to meet with another potential head coach."
And, as I said, it's moot whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson - but we'll never know
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
"Schmidt, who had not travelled to South Africa, was encouraged by NZR to meet Robertson to determine whether they could work together."
"The first and most important development was that Schmidt ruled out working with Robertson after the two had met. Schmidt, it is believed, explained that he felt a loyalty to Foster and discomfort at being asked to meet with another potential head coach."
And, as I said, it's moot whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson - but we'll never know
That is another assumption this time by the media
Probably based on a rumour not fact .
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
(it's been reported Joe Schmidt has issues working with him)
I don't think it was Robertson per se, but that he felt a loyalty to Foster.
Or have you read something else?
Regardless of the reason, Joe wouldn't have wanted to work with him.
Whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson, we'll never know.
Source? Another assumption?
"Schmidt, who had not travelled to South Africa, was encouraged by NZR to meet Robertson to determine whether they could work together."
"The first and most important development was that Schmidt ruled out working with Robertson after the two had met. Schmidt, it is believed, explained that he felt a loyalty to Foster and discomfort at being asked to meet with another potential head coach."
And, as I said, it's moot whether Schmidt would have said the same If Foster had been replaced by someone else other than Robertson - but we'll never know
That is another assumption this time by the media
Probably based on a rumour not fact .
It is believed hardly makes it true.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
That is another assumption this time by the media
Probably based on a rumour not fact .
It is believed hardly makes it true.
Probably based on a rumour not fact .You can say that about anything in any debate on Robertson and Foster and NZR's decisions, though, can't you? The primary sources certainly aren't going to be available so that's the best we have.
Probably based on a rumour not fact
Is that an assumption? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@Chris-B said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Where does the buck stop!
AB coach is an absolutely critical decision for NZR - if you're telling me it's not in Robinson's purview, I'm saying bollocks. Was it him or Lendrum who was in South Africa?
Razor has hung around for 4 years waiting for another shot, so the idea he doesn't now want the job - bollocks to that as well.
He's completed a four year job interview that we've all been privy to - just lock him in!!!
Yep I'm telling you it not up to Robinson who coaches ABs. The buck stops with NZR board who tell Robison what to do. What's it got to do with who in SA, he was there in discussions with SARU,so why would Lendrum be there? Genuine question too. He wasn't with with ABs, obviously timed to go with tests etc. He (same as Steve Tew before, and Marinos in Aussie etc) have almost nothing to do with team.. Generally CEOs of rugby boards anywhere make very few decisions, of importance, and that goes from provincial unions right through. They are generally the ones who act on decisions made by elected board. As when Robinson and one ot two others had made suggestions how to fix Super rugby impass with Aussie , got back to NZR board squashed it.
In my experience in clubs and provincial rugby boards, the CEO has never appointed the coach, and generally don't even vote on board decisions, they act on what the board says.generally.@Dan54 Yes - the board signs off on everything. Then they go back to their day jobs and Robinson oversees the day-to-day implementation.
But, the CEO also makes recommendations to the board. He will recommend the process for appointing the next coach, he will oversee Lendrum's search (he'll almost certainly sit on whatever interview panel they come up with).
He and the chair of the Board will front the media.
His fingerprints will be on everything.
You can shoot the board into the sun alongside him, but if it all goes wrong he's the first guy on the chopping block.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
That is another assumption this time by the media
Probably based on a rumour not fact .
It is believed hardly makes it true.
Probably based on a rumour not fact .You can say that about anything in any debate on Robertson and Foster and NZR's decisions, though, can't you? The primary sources certainly aren't going to be available so that's the best we have.
Probably based on a rumour not fact
Is that an assumption? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
That is another assumption this time by the media
Probably based on a rumour not fact .
It is believed hardly makes it true.
Probably based on a rumour not fact .You can say that about anything in any debate on Robertson and Foster and NZR's decisions, though, can't you? The primary sources certainly aren't going to be available so that's the best we have.
Probably based on a rumour not fact
Is that an assumption? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
Of course
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster and his preferred coaches were a package.
As mentioned, I don't think NZR had a problem with packages. But probably did with Robertson's "here's my package, take it or leave it" approach - particularly when his international experience was both minimal and patchy.
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@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster and his preferred coaches were a package.
As mentioned, I don't think NZR had a problem with packages. But probably did with Robertson's "here's my package, take it or leave it" approach - particularly when his international experience was both minimal and patchy.
This sounds like one of the other assumptions that you've posted in this thread without it being based on evidence. I'd love to see a source where you base this assumption on.
"Crusaders coach Scott Robertson has revealed he's only interested in being the next All Blacks head coach. Robertson won't consider being an assistant in the process to appoint Steve Hansen's successor."
From the man's own mouth. Sounds like a take it or leave it approach to me.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster and his preferred coaches were a package.
As mentioned, I don't think NZR had a problem with packages. But probably did with Robertson's "here's my package, take it or leave it" approach - particularly when his international experience was both minimal and patchy.
This sounds like one of the other assumptions that you've posted in this thread without it being based on evidence. I'd love to see a source where you base this assumption on.
"Crusaders coach Scott Robertson has revealed he's only interested in being the next All Blacks head coach. Robertson won't consider being an assistant in the process to appoint Steve Hansen's successor."
From the man's own mouth. Sounds like a take it or leave it approach to me.
Is this in the video? I can't see a video. In the article it is the reporter saying this. And it's incorrect. Scott Robertson is also interested in being a coach for England, Wales...
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The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
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The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
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The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
@Windows97 assuming that true...i can get his thinking, winning a world cup is famously hard, even with a full cycle let alone only having 18months...so im not sure id want my job almost completely riding on it
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@Windows97 assuming that true...i can get his thinking, winning a world cup is famously hard, even with a full cycle let alone only having 18months...so im not sure id want my job almost completely riding on it
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 assuming that true...i can get his thinking, winning a world cup is famously hard, even with a full cycle let alone only having 18months...so im not sure id want my job almost completely riding on it
As you said, if that is true .
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The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
he process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
This maybe a problem post WC as all the decent coaches will be locked into contracts by Mid 2023,as that is the way all other major teams work these day's.
And you are left with a group that failed potentially at the WC or some random assistant coach from somewhere or Leon MCDonald a coach with no international experience ( I mention that because some Ferner's believe it is the be all of being the AB HC)and Who has won nothing as HC Coach (McDonald).
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@Windows97 assuming that true...i can get his thinking, winning a world cup is famously hard, even with a full cycle let alone only having 18months...so im not sure id want my job almost completely riding on it
@Kiwiwomble yes and that's why I understand his decision to not take it (presuming it's true) as its more like being handed a poisoned chalice rather than an opportunity.
And then I don't understand his decision also, as if the role was going to "be given" to him and it's always been your dream to coach the AB's why not give it a crack and trust your ability to get the job done?
I mean it's kinda like declining a girl when she's a little tipsy not because your morally opposed to having sex, but because you think she'll find you more attractive and the sex will be better when she's sober and she's gotten to know you better...
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@Windows97 Yep there certainly a bloody lot of assumptions in here, Seems how most get their stuff on the net.
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 Yep there certainly a bloody lot of assumptions in here, Seems how most get their stuff on the net.
It is very presumptuous of you to assume there are lots of assumptions and presumptions going on this thread.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
I can safely say that rumour is not true.
NZR were certainly not set to make any sort of announcement in South Africa but the rest of it is also widely off-base.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
The wildly unsubstantiated rumor's and totally impossible to prove story is that the NZRU offered the role to Robertson (hence their announcement in SA was to name him AB coach) but he turned them down as they wouldn't/couldn't give him assurances he'll have the job past the 2023 RWC...basically a contract to have the job from now to the RWC and then review.
I can understand and not understand Robertson's decision if that was true.
However what this basically means is that Roberston is "thier man" and fozzie is seeing the team through to the end of the RWC at which time he'll gracefully step aside (or not so gracefully should we dip out in the 1/4 finals).
In a way I hope it isn't true as once again the selection process for the next AB coach after the RWC will be the NZRU penciling in their preferred candidate they decided on before the process began instead of actually running a process to find the best person for the job...
Anyway whether this is true or complete lies we'll only find out come the end of the RWC, if fozzie steps down and Robertson gets appointed...
I can safely say that rumour is not true.
NZR were certainly not set to make any sort of announcement in South Africa but the rest of it is also widely off-base.
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@Mr-Fish hence my opening line.
Though your rebuttal is with great certainty - do you actually have some sort of proof of this or just heard from "good sources" like the rest of us have
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Mr-Fish hence my opening line.
Though your rebuttal is with great certainty - do you actually have some sort of proof of this or just heard from "good sources" like the rest of us have
Not suggesting you were claiming otherwise, just no point in us all heading down a track that's ultimately redundant (unlike all the other important, on-point conversations we have here...).
No proof I'm able to provide, unfortunately.
Ultimately, NZR were poised to make a change but the costs of doing so, coupled with very strong opposition from the players and not being able to get Schmidt on board, as well as being able to use the excuse of a 'turning point' in Jo'burg meant the status quo was maintained. Nothing more to it than that, really.
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I’m guessing this thread will have an interesting life , particularly next year .
Will Need a good supply of popcorn
