FIFA World Cup 2022
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Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
@MiketheSnow said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
Agreed. Sara and Henderson also should have stayed on as they were both owning that right side.
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It was a plan as cunning as a fox that had just been made Professor of Cunning at the Sorbonne from the French last night.
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Foul the English repeatedly if they got in the box and hope the Brazilian referee would not give Les Rostbifs a penalty.
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Hope that the thought of 56 years of hurt would weigh heavily on English minds as they waited to kick the ball from twelve yards.
It worked a treat.
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@Bones said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
The 'wouldn't happen in rugby' comment was stupid as we have all seen times when things flipped into that territory in passionate moments ('Four more years'?) and certain players out there (look for the green shirts
) are happy to be the ref's faces all the time.Instead of finger pointing at individual happenings though, take a step back and observe the pervading cultures of the sports.
I admire the skills of football and also how, what is a simple game, generates such rabid fandom. However, if I had a kid involved in the sport I would be doing lots to try to counter the messages they received as part of the game. For me, sports for kids are a great way of them learning life lessons and I just don't like the lessons that are an acceptable part of behaviour in football.
Respect the officials and respect the opposition are still a big part of rugby despite the odd idiot. I can't say the same for football.
Just my opinion.
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@MiketheSnow said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
Agreed. Sara and Henderson also should have stayed on as they were both owning that right side.
@junior said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Terrible coaching from Southgate
Rashford should have had 30 at least
Agreed. Sara and Henderson also should have stayed on as they were both owning that right side.
Henderson was running around like a madman in the 2nd half until the time he came off and was also covering a lot of ground in the first half - it was clear he had been told when he was to be subbed. Not sure on Saka and if he could have played at the same level for the full 90/100.
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@Bones said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
The 'wouldn't happen in rugby' comment was stupid as we have all seen times when things flipped into that territory in passionate moments ('Four more years'?) and certain players out there (look for the green shirts
) are happy to be the ref's faces all the time.Instead of finger pointing at individual happenings though, take a step back and observe the pervading cultures of the sports.
I admire the skills of football and also how, what is a simple game, generates such rabid fandom. However, if I had a kid involved in the sport I would be doing lots to try to counter the messages they received as part of the game. For me, sports for kids are a great way of them learning life lessons and I just don't like the lessons that are an acceptable part of behaviour in football.
Respect the officials and respect the opposition are still a big part of rugby despite the odd idiot. I can't say the same for football.
Just my opinion.
@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
The 'wouldn't happen in rugby' comment was stupid as we have all seen times when things flipped into that territory in passionate moments ('Four more years'?) and certain players out there (look for the green shirts ) are happy to be the ref's faces all the time.
But you've gotta admit that '4 more years' is good banter, versus just screaming in the oppositions faces
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Amazing that France only made one subsitution!
Maybe a sign that their bench depth is thin having lost a fair few players pre and early tournament.
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Wow, I've been shocked at today. It's genuinely felt like a day after AB's knocked out of RWC day.
Kind of amazing in that I expected England to lose this match & had close to zero hope of them winning the tournament. That and I guess I didn't realise I was THAT Big of a fan of their team. Ok, thats not true.
The game was a great match. England had a lot of control but France were just so strong on the break. They were so fast, and it really felt like their up front guys were a class above. England players are just not at the same level, although there is a lot of young talent there so they should be a real chance over the next couple of tournaments (which means they won't).
Very unpredictable semi finals. I'm seeing France-Argentina final with France prevailing. My support will be for the Croat's though. Really big fan of this team.
It has also been really nice to read nothing about fan trouble, zero arrests etc. Might be something in this Qatar blueprint, after all. Who would've thunk it!
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@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@duke said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie
You’re dreaming. That’s the kind of thing that turns people off soccer. He was barely touched.Really? You've not watched much of the game then have you? Every professional would have gone down at that point from any nation. Lord Harry Kane is a master of it.
Just because they would all do it doesn't mean that it doesn't turn people off the game. Sport shouldn't be about play acting.
@Crucial said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@duke said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie
You’re dreaming. That’s the kind of thing that turns people off soccer. He was barely touched.Really? You've not watched much of the game then have you? Every professional would have gone down at that point from any nation. Lord Harry Kane is a master of it.
Just because they would all do it doesn't mean that it doesn't turn people off the game. Sport shouldn't be about play acting.
I used to hold this view too. But as KiwiPie states above, it was a clear penalty and those that follow the game a lot understand why.
The thing is, that there is diving and then there is diving. Just because you didn't necessarily get physically taken out, it doesn't mean that it's not a penalty. In a lot of situations, the player will avoid the contact and go down to prove the point. If a leg is just thrown out there, and your direct path is blocked by it (and especially when in the box), your choices are either
- Run in the leg, risk injury, go down and likely get the penalty
- Avoid the leg, go down & likely get the penalty
- Take a less direct route the ball which means you may lose a sec or so & then continue on at a disadvantage of what you should have been.
This certainly doesn't apply in all situations, but there has been a few where people call diving when ithe player has taken option 2. There are genuine bullshitting divers out there, don't get me wrong. But the above happens a lot.
Side note on the Saka situation yesterday. the VAR check was right, as it wasn't a penalty. However, how the fuck the ref didn't call the foul initially (and therefore a free kick to England just outside the box), I'll never know. It was about as a blatant of a foul as you'll see.
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Daniele Orsato is the ref for the Argentina-Croatia game. He has been good in the games I've seen him officiate. Reading some of the stories about the behaviour of the Argentinean players towards the Dutch after the penalty shootout I hope Croatia wins. The Argies need to win in normal time otherwise their fate is sealed.
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Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
@Billy-Tell said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
The one Kane slotted into the net? That's a clear cut example of what a penalty should be: Defender misses the ball and takes out the attacked inside the box.
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@Billy-Tell said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
The one Kane slotted into the net? That's a clear cut example of what a penalty should be: Defender misses the ball and takes out the attacked inside the box.
@antipodean said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Don’t think that was a penalty. No wonder people get turned off soccer.
The one Kane slotted into the net? That's a clear cut example of what a penalty should be: Defender misses the ball and takes out the attacked inside the box.
You need to have followed the Argentina vs Holland match comments. This was a firmly tongue in cheek comment
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@Bones the ref didn't seem to know what was going on, but he didn't change the result.
The truly awful reffing performance was that clown who nominally took charge of the Argie Dutchie game. He was fucking awful
@dogmeat England match? Absolutely bizarre to blame the ref when England got given every chance to win as well as kicking a goal Wilkinson would have been proud of.
I was just amused how far out of reality Neville is. It definitely helps paint a picture in other areas....
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Does anyone else think it's ironic that Harry Kane saved English fans from the pain of exiting the WC in a penalty shootout by missing a penalty??
@Windows97 said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Does anyone else think it's ironic that Harry Kane saved English fans from the pain of exiting the WC in a penalty shootout by missing a penalty??
Took one for the team.
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@Windows97 said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Does anyone else think it's ironic that Harry Kane saved English fans from the pain of exiting the WC in a penalty shootout by missing a penalty??
Took one for the team.
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@Crucial One of those sport is cruel moments - felt genuinely sorry for the guy.
Sums up English football beautifully, I doubt there's a better team in the world at not taking their opportunities than their national team.
@Windows97 said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Crucial One of those sport is cruel moments - felt genuinely sorry for the guy.
Sums up English football beautifully, I doubt there's a better team in the world at not taking their opportunities than their national team.
Rubbed off on their Women's Rugby Team as well.
Still amazes me that we lost to them in that CWC final. Very un-English.
