Foster, Robertson etc
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I’m confused (it happens easily, I know)
But is the media really speculating that NZR’s ideal sequence of AB coaching is going to be Foster for 2023, followed by Joseph for [3] years, then Razor comes in for 2027 and the RWC?
And people on here are suggesting that this would be a good thing, and is an indicator of NZR being forward-thinking and progressive?
Wtf is going on?
@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
But is the media really speculating that NZR’s ideal sequence of AB coaching is going to be Foster for 2023, followed by Joseph for [3] years, then Razor comes in for 2027 and the RWC?
There's been so much speculation and 99% of it has turned out to be unfounded gossip & rumour.
That said, NZR clearly have a preference for coaches with Test experience, so who knows?
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It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/ -
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Yep and makes a mockery of the idea that NZR have made no plans for 2024, doesn't it.
Hey if Razor goes to another country, it will be same as players that go, a bit of a shame but c'est la vie, I will be happy with players and coaches who show me being part of ABs is the most important thing to them.
That's not a criticism of those that go off shore, (and especially not Razor if he goes as some seem convinced he will) just how I feel. Everyone lives with their own priorities and need to live by them. -
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
And probaly bang on to Major!
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/27/scott-robertson-im-here-and-ready-for-the-all-blacks-job/Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
Not at all, I just have no trust that NZR will make the right decision. Foster was clearly the wrong decision, extending Hansen after the lions was wrong, how they dealt with so many things since then (super rugby, silver lake, black ferns, last year's coaching palaver) had been beyond amateur. I'm just worried that they'll fuck this up.
I'm not sure if razor is the best choice, but they need too ensure they get real competition for the role, and the best supporting coaches. And use a process that isn't jobs for the boys
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Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning. -
Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning.@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning.Can't say how much I agree with this post ARHS, I know it seems strange to many to just let the decisions be made by those who have ALL the info, I know I a great fan of Jamie Joseph getting job, but I don't know anymore about the qualifications than anyone else on here, or to be honest what really makes a good test coach.
I have seen many posts on forums where people have said someone like Eddie Jones is a good coach for a short time etc and then wears out players, then read after he is dumped players who were being coached by him saying how good he was and still is. So you have to think they would have pretty good idea too, but once again RU believe they need something different and so do what they thought was best. Like you I believe NZR are/will do exactly same, and are pretty well qualified to make decision, certainly more than me or any poster on bored. Even though it's right to all have an opinion. -
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
Yeah you know my thoughts on the NZR board,But pointless repeating it,let’s see what happens next,I might be pleasantly surprised,and to be honest I hope I am.
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
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If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
Horseshit
That’s not Robertson’s job
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.
Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.
Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?
Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.
Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.
Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.
Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?
Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.
Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.
Surely to be a successor you have to have success?
