EPL 2022 / 2023
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@KiwiPie brutal league
7 months ago Moyes was lauded for getting West Ham in to Europe by finishing 7th with 56 points
Now he's probably next out the door with almost as many losses as last season already after only 18 games
Surely Fat Frank is next though. And with him the practice of parachuting famous retired players in to managerial roles in top levels. Lampard and Stevie G have been fucking terrible. Just "knowing the game" is not enough
The weird thing about Gerrard is that he seemed to have been doing a genuinely good job with Rangers before he went south to Villa. Lots of talk about him doing an apprenticeship at Villa before moving to Liverpool whenever Klopp gets bored. But he's just pancaked.
Won't change hiring though. Coaching appointments have a massive networking element and retired players who spent time at elite clubs have a massive headstart over everyone else in that respect.
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Thing is with Chelsea, first half on Thurs match vs City was best they’ve played in ages. Excellent ball / game control and I think if Sterling stayed on would have been 2 nil up.
But then heads dropped and carried that into Sunday.
Arteta showing the benefits of being given time. Potter will do the same if he gets it. He probably won’t tho.
Moyes will survive, West Ham don’t look bad. Frank won’t, Everton do look bad.
Most worrying thing this weekend is all the talk of United’s chanting to Frank. Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
Illegal? You fucking what?!!
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The weird thing about Gerrard is that he seemed to have been doing a genuinely good job with Rangers before he went south to Villa. Lots of talk about him doing an apprenticeship at Villa before moving to Liverpool whenever Klopp gets bored. But he's just pancaked.
Won't change hiring though. Coaching appointments have a massive networking element and retired players who spent time at elite clubs have a massive headstart over everyone else in that respect.
@Cyclops said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
The weird thing about Gerrard is that he seemed to have been doing a genuinely good job with Rangers before he went south to Villa. Lots of talk about him doing an apprenticeship at Villa before moving to Liverpool whenever Klopp gets bored. But he's just pancaked.
Won't change hiring though. Coaching appointments have a massive networking element and retired players who spent time at elite clubs have a massive headstart over everyone else in that respect.
Football talk now is that Mick Beale (Gerrard's assistant at Rangers and then Villa) was the one with the plan. Beale took over at QPR at the start of the season, Wolves offered him their job after they sacked Bruno but he said he was loyal to QPR - and then took the Rangers job at the end of November.
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@Cyclops said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
The weird thing about Gerrard is that he seemed to have been doing a genuinely good job with Rangers before he went south to Villa. Lots of talk about him doing an apprenticeship at Villa before moving to Liverpool whenever Klopp gets bored. But he's just pancaked.
Won't change hiring though. Coaching appointments have a massive networking element and retired players who spent time at elite clubs have a massive headstart over everyone else in that respect.
Football talk now is that Mick Beale (Gerrard's assistant at Rangers and then Villa) was the one with the plan. Beale took over at QPR at the start of the season, Wolves offered him their job after they sacked Bruno but he said he was loyal to QPR - and then took the Rangers job at the end of November.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie brutal league
7 months ago Moyes was lauded for getting West Ham in to Europe by finishing 7th with 56 points
Now he's probably next out the door with almost as many losses as last season already after only 18 games
Surely Fat Frank is next though. And with him the practice of parachuting famous retired players in to managerial roles in top levels. Lampard and Stevie G have been fucking terrible. Just "knowing the game" is not enough
Surely Potter needs to win his next home game.
Arteta the best of the “I’m a recent-ish player and now manager” brigade??
@Hooroo said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Arteta the best of the “I’m a recent-ish player and now manager” brigade??
Vincent Kompany is doing an amazing job transforming Burnley in the Championship
Pre WC Vieira was doing good stuff with Palace
The same thing happens in rugby with pretty similar results
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Are Fulham nearly safe from relegation even if they lose their next 20 games? And given they have Chelsea at home next (certain home win) 31 points could be enough.
If teams below them keep up this points per game ratio.
Southampton finish with 25/26
Wolves finish with 29/30
Everton/West Ham with 31/32.Who will be sacked first?
Lampard?
Moyes?
Marsch?
Rodgers?
Potter?
Jones?@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Are Fulham nearly safe from relegation even if they lose their next 20 games?
Still got the example of Blackpool in 2010-11. 9th after 20 games but finished 19th.
Our next 4 matches are Chelsea, Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs. It is not inconceivable that we get nothing from those games. It is also not inconceivable that we get 6-9 points.
The good thing about Fulham's results thus far is that of the teams below us we have only lost to West Ham who's two goals should both have been disallowed. Only really been disgraced against Newcastle when we played almost the entire game a man down.
Long term injuries to Mitro/Palhinha would be a worry. We haven't played that well in the last few games but while anything from 17th up will be a good season, realistically after this start, I'll be disappointed if we finish in the bottom quarter.
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Thing is with Chelsea, first half on Thurs match vs City was best they’ve played in ages. Excellent ball / game control and I think if Sterling stayed on would have been 2 nil up.
But then heads dropped and carried that into Sunday.
Arteta showing the benefits of being given time. Potter will do the same if he gets it. He probably won’t tho.
Moyes will survive, West Ham don’t look bad. Frank won’t, Everton do look bad.
Most worrying thing this weekend is all the talk of United’s chanting to Frank. Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
Illegal? You fucking what?!!
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
FA has deemed it homophobic abuse and an affront to the LGBTQ+ community. The chant goes back decades and is a variation of the then Chelsea chant Chelsea aggro. In the 80's a police raid caught one of Chelsea's hard core NF type leaders with a 'rent boy'. Plus the idea was players lured to the then unfashionable Chelsea were only after Roman's roubles and therefore were akin to the rent boys of nearby Earls Court.
TBH I'd be surprised if it isn't heard at the Cottage. Abusing Chelsea rent boys is a club tradition. Although the FA/EPL are talking of banning anyone caught chanting it so who knows.
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@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
FA has deemed it homophobic abuse and an affront to the LGBTQ+ community. The chant goes back decades and is a variation of the then Chelsea chant Chelsea aggro. In the 80's a police raid caught one of Chelsea's hard core NF type leaders with a 'rent boy'. Plus the idea was players lured to the then unfashionable Chelsea were only after Roman's roubles and therefore were akin to the rent boys of nearby Earls Court.
TBH I'd be surprised if it isn't heard at the Cottage. Abusing Chelsea rent boys is a club tradition. Although the FA/EPL are talking of banning anyone caught chanting it so who knows.
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
FA has deemed it homophobic abuse and an affront to the LGBTQ+ community. The chant goes back decades and is a variation of the then Chelsea chant Chelsea aggro. In the 80's a police raid caught one of Chelsea's hard core NF type leaders with a 'rent boy'. Plus the idea was players lured to the then unfashionable Chelsea were only after Roman's roubles and therefore were akin to the rent boys of nearby Earls Court.
TBH I'd be surprised if it isn't heard at the Cottage. Abusing Chelsea rent boys is a club tradition. Although the FA/EPL are talking of banning anyone caught chanting it so who knows.
This is all correct.
But, illegal? Seriously?
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@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Are Fulham nearly safe from relegation even if they lose their next 20 games?
Still got the example of Blackpool in 2010-11. 9th after 20 games but finished 19th.
Our next 4 matches are Chelsea, Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs. It is not inconceivable that we get nothing from those games. It is also not inconceivable that we get 6-9 points.
The good thing about Fulham's results thus far is that of the teams below us we have only lost to West Ham who's two goals should both have been disallowed. Only really been disgraced against Newcastle when we played almost the entire game a man down.
Long term injuries to Mitro/Palhinha would be a worry. We haven't played that well in the last few games but while anything from 17th up will be a good season, realistically after this start, I'll be disappointed if we finish in the bottom quarter.
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Are Fulham nearly safe from relegation even if they lose their next 20 games?
Still got the example of Blackpool in 2010-11. 9th after 20 games but finished 19th.
Blackpool was slightly different as they went down with 39 points - in recent seasons, the top of the table has more points and the bottom fewer points - and 2 seasons ago Fulham went down in 18th with 28 points.
On Potter - Chelsea in a tricky spot now as they appointed him as a long term strategy to change the Chelsea model - you can't really abandon it immediately.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
FA has deemed it homophobic abuse and an affront to the LGBTQ+ community. The chant goes back decades and is a variation of the then Chelsea chant Chelsea aggro. In the 80's a police raid caught one of Chelsea's hard core NF type leaders with a 'rent boy'. Plus the idea was players lured to the then unfashionable Chelsea were only after Roman's roubles and therefore were akin to the rent boys of nearby Earls Court.
TBH I'd be surprised if it isn't heard at the Cottage. Abusing Chelsea rent boys is a club tradition. Although the FA/EPL are talking of banning anyone caught chanting it so who knows.
This is all correct.
But, illegal? Seriously?
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Calling him a rent boy & this seemingly now being illegal.
FA has deemed it homophobic abuse and an affront to the LGBTQ+ community. The chant goes back decades and is a variation of the then Chelsea chant Chelsea aggro. In the 80's a police raid caught one of Chelsea's hard core NF type leaders with a 'rent boy'. Plus the idea was players lured to the then unfashionable Chelsea were only after Roman's roubles and therefore were akin to the rent boys of nearby Earls Court.
TBH I'd be surprised if it isn't heard at the Cottage. Abusing Chelsea rent boys is a club tradition. Although the FA/EPL are talking of banning anyone caught chanting it so who knows.
This is all correct.
But, illegal? Seriously?
words are violence you hateful bigot
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Are Fulham nearly safe from relegation even if they lose their next 20 games?
Still got the example of Blackpool in 2010-11. 9th after 20 games but finished 19th.
Blackpool was slightly different as they went down with 39 points - in recent seasons, the top of the table has more points and the bottom fewer points - and 2 seasons ago Fulham went down in 18th with 28 points.
On Potter - Chelsea in a tricky spot now as they appointed him as a long term strategy to change the Chelsea model - you can't really abandon it immediately.
@KiwiPie That is the only time this century that the team in 18th scored ,30 points so you are taking an outlier - as I was with Blackpool although poor West Ham went down in 03 despite finishing on 42
Over the last 10 years you needed 35 to be safe over the century 36.
I would hope Fulham can get another 8 points from their next 20 matches....
Marco's reign has been quite the thing for Fulham fans. He's quite the coach. Players who looked really bad under Parkerball have, this time, looked comfortable & the whole squad look really happy - even those not playing.
Be nice to get some squad depth in January, but even players that are not going to be starters seem to want 120K a week!!!
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@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Wow, Southampton just knocked City out of EFL cup.
Great game to watch.
How did they do (I was stuck at work)? From the stats, it looked like City had all the ball and Southampton had all the shots! Forest through on pens v Wolves so Man U, Newcastle, Forest, Soton in the semis.
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Gareth Bale has retired - where would you place him?
Greatest ever Welsh player? I cannot think of anyone above him.
Greatest ever British player overseas? Probably.For a time at Spurs, he was like a force of nature - fast, powerful and with a wizard of a left foot. I'm not sure Madrid ever really got the most out of him and his career became more about moments than matches.
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Gareth Bale has retired - where would you place him?
Greatest ever Welsh player? I cannot think of anyone above him.
Greatest ever British player overseas? Probably.For a time at Spurs, he was like a force of nature - fast, powerful and with a wizard of a left foot. I'm not sure Madrid ever really got the most out of him and his career became more about moments than matches.
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Gareth Bale has retired - where would you place him?
Bale scored twice as many goals for Real Madrid than Zidane but still the fans never warmed to him. He did score some worldies like in the CL final in Kyiv. Once his speed went he was a totally different player (see WC for Wales). I think he is the best British player to play overseas based on the titles won.
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@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Gareth Bale has retired - where would you place him?
Bale scored twice as many goals for Real Madrid than Zidane but still the fans never warmed to him. He did score some worldies like in the CL final in Kyiv. Once his speed went he was a totally different player (see WC for Wales). I think he is the best British player to play overseas based on the titles won.
@Bovidae said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
I think he is the best British player to play overseas based on the titles won.
Steve McManaman says what?
jokes. It's still Bale. But it's only ever going to be limited to "British players who played at Real"
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@Bovidae said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
I think he is the best British player to play overseas based on the titles won.
Steve McManaman says what?
jokes. It's still Bale. But it's only ever going to be limited to "British players who played at Real"
@mariner4life Yes, entirely dependent on which club you play for. 5 CL titles for Bale.
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Keegan was European Footballer of the Year twice while at Hamburg who were pretty shite before he arrived. He also introduced the perm to European football. Bale sported a man bun.
In terms of impact then Laurie Cunningham has to be mentioned although obviously his career was blighted by injuries but I reckon Real fans old enough will remember him more fondly than Bale who whilst treated poorly realy did come across as a cock a lot of the time.
To me Bale was a highlights reel player. Scored some freakish goals but too often didn't seem interested. It's quite easy to see why he had the falling outs that he did.
