Foster, Robertson etc
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.There's a big difference between giving someone embedded in the group a last year to improve after being within days of being sacked, and saying that performance is good enough for the next four years and not giving someone else a go. Foster is gone after the world cup, no way he is going to stay. The reason they are starting the process early is because they don't have foster mark 2 ready to take to coach, they need to catch the best coaches ASAP. Being left with whomever Scotland didn't want is not good
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.There's a big difference between giving someone embedded in the group a last year to improve after being within days of being sacked, and saying that performance is good enough for the next four years and not giving someone else a go. Foster is gone after the world cup, no way he is going to stay. The reason they are starting the process early is because they don't have foster mark 2 ready to take to coach, they need to catch the best coaches ASAP. Being left with whomever Scotland didn't want is not good
Agree it should be that way and I hope it is, but as I keep saying I do not trust the NZR to get the job done properly.
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@canefan or maybe in the player reviews there was issues with how stale some has become, how changes need to be made, so NZR think they need to be ahead of it as a way to keep some players who may be thnking of leaving post RWC?
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan or maybe in the player reviews there was issues with how stale some has become, how changes need to be made, so NZR think they need to be ahead of it as a way to keep some players who may be thnking of leaving post RWC?
Another good reason to do it now. As much as the players say they like Fozz, I can't think of any good reason why they shouldn't announce a new HC for 2024 now
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IMO too much has been made of players openly supporting Foster. Of course they support the current coach, especially if it's a nice guy. That doesn't mean they think he's the best coach and that there aren't better options available. They just won't say that out loud (publically).
I can't wait for the player biographies that will come out after they've retired!
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IMO too much has been made of players openly supporting Foster. Of course they support the current coach, especially if it's a nice guy. That doesn't mean they think he's the best coach and that there aren't better options available. They just won't say that out loud (publically).
I can't wait for the player biographies that will come out after they've retired!
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@Stargazer Only if you not a Foster etc supporter, I bet if players said he was crap or they thought Razor was a great coach it would be diiferent. It is not unusual to dismiss any opinions that don't line up with ours.
@Dan54 Nonsense. If Robertson or Rennie or X were appointed tomorrow, and they'd ask the players in a few months whether they're happy with the new coach, they'll also openly support the new coach. You can't draw any conclusions from that either.
They would never say publically that they think it would have been better if Foster had stayed. At most, they'll make some positive remarks about Foster, but they'll never say they disagree with the appointment of the new coach.It works both ways.
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@Dan54 Nonsense. If Robertson or Rennie or X were appointed tomorrow, and they'd ask the players in a few months whether they're happy with the new coach, they'll also openly support the new coach. You can't draw any conclusions from that either.
They would never say publically that they think it would have been better if Foster had stayed. At most, they'll make some positive remarks about Foster, but they'll never say they disagree with the appointment of the new coach.It works both ways.
@Stargazer Mate with all due respect, I don't think we should judge players on what we would do. Have you not heard the Pom players saying that Jones sacking was a mistake? I don't believe all the players are liars(which you maybe insinuating saying they not telling truth). I think with the Pom players actually coming out and saying it crap speaks of their honesty.
Same with ABs coming out in SA, there was no reason for the likes of SaM Whitelock etc to do it unless they thought Razor was going to drop them?
But that wasn't the point, if they said Foster was hopeless and you were against Foster , I would bet you agreed with them and would use that as proof is what I meant.
I will also give you when Link McKenzie was being pressured and went, how quiet the Wallaby players were, there was no support, I will always remember Hooper sitting beside hin in an interview and giving no back up. I don't think Wallabies are more honest than All Blacks as you think? -
@Stargazer Mate with all due respect, I don't think we should judge players on what we would do. Have you not heard the Pom players saying that Jones sacking was a mistake? I don't believe all the players are liars(which you maybe insinuating saying they not telling truth). I think with the Pom players actually coming out and saying it crap speaks of their honesty.
Same with ABs coming out in SA, there was no reason for the likes of SaM Whitelock etc to do it unless they thought Razor was going to drop them?
But that wasn't the point, if they said Foster was hopeless and you were against Foster , I would bet you agreed with them and would use that as proof is what I meant.
I will also give you when Link McKenzie was being pressured and went, how quiet the Wallaby players were, there was no support, I will always remember Hooper sitting beside hin in an interview and giving no back up. I don't think Wallabies are more honest than All Blacks as you think? -
@Stargazer I know I did up to a point, but weren't you putting words in players mouth saying they weren't saying what they meant?
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@Stargazer Was going to say exactly same!!
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Looks like Foster is a lame duck, be funny if he won the RWC. I'd be more than happy - esp as he won't come back after and RWC is not everything. He's crapped all over the legacy with poor performances in between, that's enough to say thanks for the cup - cya
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Looks like Foster is a lame duck, be funny if he won the RWC. I'd be more than happy - esp as he won't come back after and RWC is not everything. He's crapped all over the legacy with poor performances in between, that's enough to say thanks for the cup - cya
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Looks like Foster is a lame duck, be funny if he won the RWC. I'd be more than happy - esp as he won't come back after and RWC is not everything. He's crapped all over the legacy with poor performances in between, that's enough to say thanks for the cup - cya
I like it. Get clarity ASAP. The players will still want to win a RWC and so will Fozz and his coaches
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IMO too much has been made of players openly supporting Foster. Of course they support the current coach, especially if it's a nice guy. That doesn't mean they think he's the best coach and that there aren't better options available. They just won't say that out loud (publically).
I can't wait for the player biographies that will come out after they've retired!
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
IMO too much has been made of players openly supporting Foster. Of course they support the current coach, especially if it's a nice guy. That doesn't mean they think he's the best coach and that there aren't better options available. They just won't say that out loud (publically).
I can't wait for the player biographies that will come out after they've retired!
I suspect that the players would just say nothing if they didn't support the coach, some of the players have been pretty vocal with their support (Richie Mounga is one example).
Some fans a pretty feral about their dislike of Foster, but he seems popular with the players.
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Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
Yep and strong rumour he has or never has intention of standing again, but it's good that they don't say much let's all the ones frothing at the mouth keep on , and not find someone else to have a go at!
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Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
So if Fozz won the RWC, and no one had been appointed for 2024, you don't think there was any chance he would be extended?
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@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
So if Fozz won the RWC, and no one had been appointed for 2024, you don't think there was any chance he would be extended?
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So if Fozz won the RWC, and no one had been appointed for 2024, you don't think there was any chance he would be extended?
There is always a chance, but I don't believe it would happen. Foster will have been involved with the ABs in some capacity for 12 years. He'll get to do his 4 years as a head coach, including a RWC. That said, he will prefer to leave as a RWC-winning coach (as we all would).
NZR have also learnt from their past mistakes/lack of planning so there will be some certainty for all parties.
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@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
So if Fozz won the RWC, and no one had been appointed for 2024, you don't think there was any chance he would be extended?
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Foster was never going to continue after the RWC, regardless of the outcome. I expect a refresh of the management too, including Darren Shand.
So if Fozz won the RWC, and no one had been appointed for 2024, you don't think there was any chance he would be extended?
If he does well in RWC2023, wouldn't be surprised if NZR try to extend his tenure for a year or two, either as Head or Assistant, while his replacement is eased in - NZR rates continuity highly.
But as @Bovidae suggests, he'd probably say "Fuck it, I'm off"
