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    Hmmm 🤔

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

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    • StargazerS Stargazer

      Hmmm 🤔

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

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      @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

      Hmmm 🤔

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

      it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

        Hmmm 🤔

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

        it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004

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        bayimports
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        @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

        @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

        Hmmm 🤔

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

        it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004

        The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely

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        • B bayimports

          @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

          @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

          Hmmm 🤔

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

          it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004

          The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely

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          #4725

          @bayimports said in Foster, Robertson etc:

          @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:

          @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

          Hmmm 🤔

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-vern-cotter-quits-as-fiji-coach-ahead-of-world-cup/GDPZYJFEXNAAXJN5HCZKAY7KSA/

          it was DESTINED!!!!! This has been coming since 2004

          The messiah returns!..Joe Schmidt must have asked nicely

          Wayne Ormond is dusting off his boots to fix the gaping hole we have at 6.

          Fuck yes, it's on now fluffybunnies

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            NZR should lend Razor to Fiji for the year, he can get some international and RWC experience all in one go before taking over the ABs next year.

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              Asterik6
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              #4727

              Has Vern ever coached defence before? Maybe he could join All Blacks for the World Cup, replacing Scott McLeod.

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              • CrucialC Offline
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                Rennie could be a good fit for Fiji although if Cotter's reasons are more around Fiji Rugby rather than as stated then it will be a difficult job to fill with quality.
                Fiji have occasionally looked like really stepping up especially when they are allowed to draw on NH players.

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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  Rennie could be a good fit for Fiji although if Cotter's reasons are more around Fiji Rugby rather than as stated then it will be a difficult job to fill with quality.
                  Fiji have occasionally looked like really stepping up especially when they are allowed to draw on NH players.

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                  @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

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                    @KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                    @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

                    Forgot that. Of course Oz would be in fear of losing to Fiji (again)

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                      #4731

                      The Black Ferns need a new head coach, too (Whitney Hansen has declined the promotion, I think).

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                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                        The Black Ferns need a new head coach, too (Whitney Hansen has declined the promotion, I think).

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                        @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                        The Black Ferns need a new head coach, too (Whitney Hansen has declined the promotion, I think).

                        She has said she isn't ready yet (which is a little different as she did so before being asked).

                        The money is on Alan Bunting who appears to have ditched his Manawa job in anticipation.
                        Either he will be announced before Aupiki so everyone knows who they are trying to impress and he can do his job openly from the stands as a selector, or it will be kept under wraps to not distract from the comp.
                        I understand that there are a number of BF pro contract places becoming available (numbers are capped) so selection identification is going to be very important. I am picking that assistants stay they same although possibly Aupiki coaches will be being judged as well.

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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

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                          @KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                          @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

                          Rennie is also out of the running for the AB job too (according to Newshub). He isn't going to return to SR first, NZR.

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                            The Black Ferns need a new head coach, too (Whitney Hansen has declined the promotion, I think).

                            She has said she isn't ready yet (which is a little different as she did so before being asked).

                            The money is on Alan Bunting who appears to have ditched his Manawa job in anticipation.
                            Either he will be announced before Aupiki so everyone knows who they are trying to impress and he can do his job openly from the stands as a selector, or it will be kept under wraps to not distract from the comp.
                            I understand that there are a number of BF pro contract places becoming available (numbers are capped) so selection identification is going to be very important. I am picking that assistants stay they same although possibly Aupiki coaches will be being judged as well.

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                            @Crucial Forgot about Bunting! :man_facepalming_medium_skin_tone: Great coach!

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                              @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

                              Rennie is also out of the running for the AB job too (according to Newshub). He isn't going to return to SR first, NZR.

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                              taniwharugby
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                              @Bovidae er, not sure im reading you right, so now a coach needs international experience and then to return to Super first?

                              Not sure anyone ticks that list...

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                              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                @KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

                                Rennie is also out of the running for the AB job too (according to Newshub). He isn't going to return to SR first, NZR.

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                                @Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                @KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                @Crucial I believe Rennie is still contracted this year to RA on gardening leave.

                                Rennie is also out of the running for the AB job too (according to Newshub). He isn't going to return to SR first, NZR.

                                That is mind blowing if that is now a requirement to be AB coach.
                                Doesn't that rule out Joseph and Cotter ?.

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                                  Here is the article with the video from last night's story. NZR seem to like shifting the goal posts.

                                  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/rugby-dave-rennie-not-in-contention-for-all-blacks-head-coach-role-after-world-cup.html

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                                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                    Here is the article with the video from last night's story. NZR seem to like shifting the goal posts.

                                    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/rugby-dave-rennie-not-in-contention-for-all-blacks-head-coach-role-after-world-cup.html

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                                    Machpants
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                                    @Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                    Here is the article with the video from last night's story. NZR seem to like shifting the goal posts.

                                    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/rugby-dave-rennie-not-in-contention-for-all-blacks-head-coach-role-after-world-cup.html

                                    No it doesn't at all. There is nothing that says he is disqualified for applying just that they don't think he is good enough. And it is all conjecture/rumours

                                    "But sources close to the situation have told Newshub Rennie will not be considered for the position, when Foster’s contract ends after the World Cup, although NZR would welcome him back into coaching, preferring a Super Rugby-type role first."

                                    Nothing there says he's 'not allowed' especially since Joseph/Brown are mentioned as possibilities straight after. Just that he won't be considered, similar to me

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                                      @Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                      Here is the article with the video from last night's story. NZR seem to like shifting the goal posts.

                                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/rugby-dave-rennie-not-in-contention-for-all-blacks-head-coach-role-after-world-cup.html

                                      No it doesn't at all. There is nothing that says he is disqualified for applying just that they don't think he is good enough. And it is all conjecture/rumours

                                      "But sources close to the situation have told Newshub Rennie will not be considered for the position, when Foster’s contract ends after the World Cup, although NZR would welcome him back into coaching, preferring a Super Rugby-type role first."

                                      Nothing there says he's 'not allowed' especially since Joseph/Brown are mentioned as possibilities straight after. Just that he won't be considered, similar to me

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                                      @Machpants I agree. It doesn't read to me as a requirement either, but I'm not sure it's because "they don't think he is good enough" (as you suggest). It could also have to do with the fact that he has just been the head coach of one of our main rivals and that they want some time in-between that gig and the ABs head coach gig.

                                      Also agree that this comes from the rumour mill, nothing factual.

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                                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                                        @Machpants I agree. It doesn't read to me as a requirement either, but I'm not sure it's because "they don't think he is good enough" (as you suggest). It could also have to do with the fact that he has just been the head coach of one of our main rivals and that they want some time in-between that gig and the ABs head coach gig.

                                        Also agree that this comes from the rumour mill, nothing factual.

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                                        @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                        @Machpants I agree. It doesn't read to me as a requirement either, but I'm not sure it's because "they don't think he is good enough" (as you suggest). It could also have to do with the fact that he has just been the head coach of one of our main rivals and that they want some time in-between that gig and the ABs head coach gig.

                                        Also agree that this comes from the rumour mill, nothing factual.

                                        Possibly, maybe they don't want the look of getting Ozzies left overs - NZR are proud, unlike AR! But really if they were competent, that should mean jack shit, so I was being generous that they think he isn't good enough, rather than being so proud as not to consider an Ozzie reject

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                                          @Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:

                                          @Machpants I agree. It doesn't read to me as a requirement either, but I'm not sure it's because "they don't think he is good enough" (as you suggest). It could also have to do with the fact that he has just been the head coach of one of our main rivals and that they want some time in-between that gig and the ABs head coach gig.

                                          Also agree that this comes from the rumour mill, nothing factual.

                                          Possibly, maybe they don't want the look of getting Ozzies left overs - NZR are proud, unlike AR! But really if they were competent, that should mean jack shit, so I was being generous that they think he isn't good enough, rather than being so proud as not to consider an Ozzie reject

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                                          @Machpants Or just possibly they have seen he wasn't too great at test level, so think he needs a bit more, or more importantly think mentally he would need a decent break. He's burnt the bridge by his record with Wallabies anyway, like it or not.

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