Foster, Robertson etc
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@Duluth said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I just want the coach announcement to be made, so we can start complaining about something else...
Yeah, and I'm sick of the media speculation as well. Anything for a click!
There's a lot of silly speculation in the media but I have no problem with van Royen's reporting today. The direct quotes from Robertson were news worthy
The question is whether Robertson is playing political games and attempting to put pressure on NZR by making those comments, or if he stupidly blurted out something he wasn't supposed to
Seems to talk to journalists too much.
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Seems to talk to journalists too much.
You do wonder how much PR puffing is going on.
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
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@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54. Think he is just waiting on approval to go to RWC with Fiji. All above board and positive. Anything else would seem plain dumb.
Ah so for Fiji for this RWC, international experience TICK> then he can go to the ABs 2024 on
Hey, floated this the day Cotter quit.
Rumour is Cotter is off to Leicester.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54. Think he is just waiting on approval to go to RWC with Fiji. All above board and positive. Anything else would seem plain dumb.
Ah so for Fiji for this RWC, international experience TICK> then he can go to the ABs 2024 on
Hey, floated this the day Cotter quit.
Rumour is Cotter is off to Leicester.
So Andrew Goodman to replace Razor at Crusaders instead?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 i think hes being a bit cheeky...but he hasn;t gone off and just posted somethign out of the blue on his socials, a reporter has gone down there and asked questions, he could has said "no comment" but thats not the vibe in NZ rugby generally...he could have lied and said he didn;t know...but then looked stupid in a couple of weeks time when we all think "he must have known"....or he can say "I know but its not for me to announce'....
Here's the full quote. Gives quite a different picture:
"It's one of those times, I'm just waiting for the NZRU to make the announcements" Robertson told reporters.
"You have conversations in the background, as an employee, understanding we go through clear processes.""What I'm saying is, hopefully we know in the next few days."
Robertson says he is waiting and hoping to hear what the process is, but the media's implying that he knows what the process is and is expecting to be confirmed in the job. Would be hilarious if he misses the job because he was selectively quoted.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 i think hes being a bit cheeky...but he hasn;t gone off and just posted somethign out of the blue on his socials, a reporter has gone down there and asked questions, he could has said "no comment" but thats not the vibe in NZ rugby generally...he could have lied and said he didn;t know...but then looked stupid in a couple of weeks time when we all think "he must have known"....or he can say "I know but its not for me to announce'....
Here's the full quote. Gives quite a different picture:
"It's one of those times, I'm just waiting for the NZRU to make the announcements" Robertson told reporters.
"You have conversations in the background, as an employee, understanding we go through clear processes.""What I'm saying is, hopefully we know in the next few days."
Robertson says he is waiting and hoping to hear what the process is, but the media's implying that he knows what the process is and is expecting to be confirmed in the job. Would be hilarious if he misses the job because he was selectively quoted.
Doesn’t the reported ask him if he knows and he says yes?
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54. Think he is just waiting on approval to go to RWC with Fiji. All above board and positive. Anything else would seem plain dumb.
Ah so for Fiji for this RWC, international experience TICK> then he can go to the ABs 2024 on
Hey, floated this the day Cotter quit.
Rumour is Cotter is off to Leicester.
So Andrew Goodman to replace Razor at Crusaders instead?
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54. Think he is just waiting on approval to go to RWC with Fiji. All above board and positive. Anything else would seem plain dumb.
Ah so for Fiji for this RWC, international experience TICK> then he can go to the ABs 2024 on
Hey, floated this the day Cotter quit.
Rumour is Cotter is off to Leicester.
So Andrew Goodman to replace Razor at Crusaders instead?
Strong chance
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@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
i want Joseph to be the coach just so i can watch the melts.
You're a thoroughly cruel man.
No.
where is your sense of fun?
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
horoughly cruel man.
where is your sense of fun?Where is my sense of fun?
Somewhere in the 90s/early 2000s along with the highlights of Crowe's acting career.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 i think hes being a bit cheeky...but he hasn;t gone off and just posted somethign out of the blue on his socials, a reporter has gone down there and asked questions, he could has said "no comment" but thats not the vibe in NZ rugby generally...he could have lied and said he didn;t know...but then looked stupid in a couple of weeks time when we all think "he must have known"....or he can say "I know but its not for me to announce'....
Here's the full quote. Gives quite a different picture:
"It's one of those times, I'm just waiting for the NZRU to make the announcements" Robertson told reporters.
"You have conversations in the background, as an employee, understanding we go through clear processes.""What I'm saying is, hopefully we know in the next few days."
Robertson says he is waiting and hoping to hear what the process is, but the media's implying that he knows what the process is and is expecting to be confirmed in the job. Would be hilarious if he misses the job because he was selectively quoted.
@kiwi_expat I saw him on the news last night, and didn't quite get where he said what was in the press, it was actually a little confusing what the talk was about, but I thought him staring with Bula had something to do with Fijian job. Only thing he said was we may know in a few days, which could of been some confusion with NZR announcing Black Ferns coach in next couple of days. That's why I try and say if the reports are correct, as I don't trust press in reporting, many are just doing a bit of clickbait stuff and they get the bites required.
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As a general rule, any coach any person with a record like Robertson deserves a shot at the ABs. If I think of other nz coaches who have impressed: Joseph with Japan, Crowley with Italy. Haig wasn’t too bad with Georgia. Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
If we’re going non-kiwi, Farrell has done a fantastic job with Ireland.
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As a general rule, any coach any person with a record like Robertson deserves a shot at the ABs. If I think of other nz coaches who have impressed: Joseph with Japan, Crowley with Italy. Haig wasn’t too bad with Georgia. Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
If we’re going non-kiwi, Farrell has done a fantastic job with Ireland.
@Billy-Tell You get the feeling that the decision has already been made. Razor must be coaching Fiji after his subtle comment. He seemed very relaxed now it is more of a case of who will fill in the coaching roster.
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There's a good chance NZR will mess it up
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As a general rule, any coach any person with a record like Robertson deserves a shot at the ABs. If I think of other nz coaches who have impressed: Joseph with Japan, Crowley with Italy. Haig wasn’t too bad with Georgia. Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
If we’re going non-kiwi, Farrell has done a fantastic job with Ireland.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
hot take: I think all three are very very good coaches, and wouldn't be out of place coaching the ABs. They are all behind others though ... but it shows the depth of NZ coaching development.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@TheMojoman in what way?
Yeah I am wondering in what way too. Sounds to me like a job applicant knows whether he has been successful or not and is waiting for the result to be announced so he can talk about it. Happens all the time in my 'industry'.
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@TheMojoman in what way?
Yeah I am wondering in what way too. Sounds to me like a job applicant knows whether he has been successful or not and is waiting for the result to be announced so he can talk about it. Happens all the time in my 'industry'.
Just comes across as a lack of humility (Foster is still coach and may not have been informed yet) and obviously ran too far ahead of the NZ Rugby who quickly tries to cover it up.
Anyway the guy deserves it, he’s done his apprenticeship and has been successful in everything he’s touched. Long may that continue.
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@Tim you have to wonder if Foster had any intention to stay on anyway, win or lose.
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim you have to wonder if Foster had any intention to stay on anyway, win or lose.
Nope, times up. There’s the door.
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@Dan54 i think hes being a bit cheeky...but he hasn;t gone off and just posted somethign out of the blue on his socials, a reporter has gone down there and asked questions, he could has said "no comment" but thats not the vibe in NZ rugby generally...he could have lied and said he didn;t know...but then looked stupid in a couple of weeks time when we all think "he must have known"....or he can say "I know but its not for me to announce'....
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 i think hes being a bit cheeky...but he hasn;t gone off and just posted somethign out of the blue on his socials, a reporter has gone down there and asked questions, he could has said "no comment" but thats not the vibe in NZ rugby generally...he could have lied and said he didn;t know...but then looked stupid in a couple of weeks time when we all think "he must have known"....or he can say "I know but its not for me to announce'....
He could have said "in the fullness of time, rugby will be the winner on the day"
Even if he was given a guarantee or an ultimatum, if I was him and received it from NZR, I wouldn't count on it. -
As a general rule, any coach any person with a record like Robertson deserves a shot at the ABs. If I think of other nz coaches who have impressed: Joseph with Japan, Crowley with Italy. Haig wasn’t too bad with Georgia. Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
If we’re going non-kiwi, Farrell has done a fantastic job with Ireland.
@Billy-Tell said in Foster, Robertson etc:
As a general rule, any coach any person with a record like Robertson deserves a shot at the ABs. If I think of other nz coaches who have impressed: Joseph with Japan, Crowley with Italy. Haig wasn’t too bad with Georgia. Rennie fairly hopeless results with Aussie. Gatland is a public relations nightmare and hasn’t achieved anything much of note in NZ. Schmidt had a mare at 2 RWCs.
If we’re going non-kiwi, Farrell has done a fantastic job with Ireland.
I agreed with the above but why would Farrell leave the top rugby team in the world for the third best?
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Can't understand the twisted criticism of Razor. He's done nothing wrong.
His intelligence and enthusiasm is exactly what is needed.
If Razor has inside knowledge not his fault. NZR have a very poor recent record of management. -
Can't understand the twisted criticism of Razor. He's done nothing wrong.
His intelligence and enthusiasm is exactly what is needed.
If Razor has inside knowledge not his fault. NZR have a very poor recent record of management.@BerniesCorner disagree, if you got a job like this surely you have the nous to check before making statements. You can be enthusiatic as buggery, but you also got to know what to say to press.
I will add I not quite sure what he said anyway, I not sure if what he meant about an annonuncement in next few days, was it about the Fiji job? It was quite a mixed press interview, not sure if it was Razor's fault ot how it had been editted. -
@BerniesCorner disagree, if you got a job like this surely you have the nous to check before making statements. You can be enthusiatic as buggery, but you also got to know what to say to press.
I will add I not quite sure what he said anyway, I not sure if what he meant about an annonuncement in next few days, was it about the Fiji job? It was quite a mixed press interview, not sure if it was Razor's fault ot how it had been editted.@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@BerniesCorner disagree, if you got a job like this surely you have the nous to check before making statements. You can be enthusiatic as buggery, but you also got to know what to say to press.
I will add I not quite sure what he said anyway, I not sure if what he meant about an annonuncement in next few days, was it about the Fiji job? It was quite a mixed press interview, not sure if it was Razor's fault ot how it had been edited.Robertson is obviously an excellent coach. But he doesn't come across as well as say Henry in front of the camera's. Or Joseph. Maybe NZR need to look at a director of rugby. with Robertson as the head coach
But unlike when he last went for the top AB coaching job I support him getting it now. Before I preferred Jamie Joseph with Brown assisting last time the AB replaced Hanson.
I want to see how he gets on. Hopefully he won't just stack the side with Crusaders and turn out to be a great AB coach. We certainly need this now (less so 4 years back). Back to No1 in the world
What unfolded on Wednesday wasn't Robertson's flashest day in front of the microphones. In the wider scheme of things, however, it was a minor kerfuffle.
He's a rugby coach, not a public relations officer. He knows how to galvanise young men and mould them into a team that's capable of winning titles. NZ Rugby only need to look at his record.
