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I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
That's a fun fact but a bit misleading since Kelce was really the number one receiver in 2019 and he's still there, but it's pretty impressive that Hill has gone and Mahomes has basically not missed a beat.
Re salary cap: the big misconception about the salary cap is that it stop teams keeping superstars. Teams can always figure out ways to get a superstar under the cap. The place it really hurts teams is at the solid starter and role player level. You go from having a team with talent all over the field and great depth, to having a handful of superstars on either side of the ball plus a bunch of guys that are below average.
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
(The other reason the draft is important is that even though mega hits are rare they're still easier than getting a superstar through free agency or trade)
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@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
That's a fun fact but a bit misleading since Kelce was really the number one receiver in 2019 and he's still there, but it's pretty impressive that Hill has gone and Mahomes has basically not missed a beat.
Re salary cap: the big misconception about the salary cap is that it stop teams keeping superstars. Teams can always figure out ways to get a superstar under the cap. The place it really hurts teams is at the solid starter and role player level. You go from having a team with talent all over the field and great depth, to having a handful of superstars on either side of the ball plus a bunch of guys that are below average.
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
(The other reason the draft is important is that even though mega hits are rare they're still easier than getting a superstar through free agency or trade)
@Cyclops squad compilation in the NFL is a complex and super interesting beast. There doesn't seem to be a "one size fits all" pathway to success. And there is no "you absolutely need a superstar in this position" hard and fast rule either.
I saw a couple of really interesting graphics leading up to the SB as to how each team put together their starters. On offence one team traded for most, while the other drafted. On defense the situation was 100% reversed.
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@Bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
I read an interesting fact about KC. Mahomes didn't have any of his WRs or RBs from their 2019 SB win still in the team for this championship win.
That's a fun fact but a bit misleading since Kelce was really the number one receiver in 2019 and he's still there, but it's pretty impressive that Hill has gone and Mahomes has basically not missed a beat.
Re salary cap: the big misconception about the salary cap is that it stop teams keeping superstars. Teams can always figure out ways to get a superstar under the cap. The place it really hurts teams is at the solid starter and role player level. You go from having a team with talent all over the field and great depth, to having a handful of superstars on either side of the ball plus a bunch of guys that are below average.
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
(The other reason the draft is important is that even though mega hits are rare they're still easier than getting a superstar through free agency or trade)
@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.
Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.
The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.
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famously the Pats picked some fat slow QB from the bottom of the rubbish bin and he went on to be alright
And i have this funny feeling that Brady and the Pats kinda warped what success in the NFL looks like. Traditionally, getting to, let alone winning, a SB was really really hard. Being a contender was looked at as success. I feel like now there is far less patience around "winning" and both coaches and QBs are cut far earlier if they don't bring immediate "success"
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@Cyclops squad compilation in the NFL is a complex and super interesting beast. There doesn't seem to be a "one size fits all" pathway to success. And there is no "you absolutely need a superstar in this position" hard and fast rule either.
I saw a couple of really interesting graphics leading up to the SB as to how each team put together their starters. On offence one team traded for most, while the other drafted. On defense the situation was 100% reversed.
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@Cyclops squad compilation in the NFL is a complex and super interesting beast. There doesn't seem to be a "one size fits all" pathway to success. And there is no "you absolutely need a superstar in this position" hard and fast rule either.
I saw a couple of really interesting graphics leading up to the SB as to how each team put together their starters. On offence one team traded for most, while the other drafted. On defense the situation was 100% reversed.
Agreed, definitely lots of ways to make it work. But the math of the salary cap is similar. You can pull stunts with void years and option/signing bonuses but that only takes you so far and the middle of the roster is where teams generally trim.
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famously the Pats picked some fat slow QB from the bottom of the rubbish bin and he went on to be alright
And i have this funny feeling that Brady and the Pats kinda warped what success in the NFL looks like. Traditionally, getting to, let alone winning, a SB was really really hard. Being a contender was looked at as success. I feel like now there is far less patience around "winning" and both coaches and QBs are cut far earlier if they don't bring immediate "success"
@mariner4life to your point 28 of the 32 NFL head coaches are new to their team from 2017 onwards.
The exceptions are Bellichick, Reid, Tomlin and Carroll.
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@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.
Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.
The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.
@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.
Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.
Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.
The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.
For sure, every year there are a few studs. But they're the exception not the rule. If teams could pick them reliably you wouldn't have mid rounders turning into studs. Hell, how many teams passed on Mahomes?
You can't build a strategy around drafting top 10 players in the draft every year. The saints had one of the best draft classes of all time in 2018 (Lattimore, Williams, Ramzyck, Hendrickson, Kamala). That basically turned the saints from a team in cap hell struggling to get a 500 record to serious contenders virtually overnight. But that's very much an exception to the norm.
The Rams are super interesting, because they've basically said fuck it and are trading away all their high picks for proven players. It's worked in the sense that they have a ring. But they also used their mid round picks pretty effectively and now have an old, top heavy roster. The bills and the 49ers are dabbling with that strategy too. It's basically recognizing that windows in the NFL are short so going all in when you have a favorable situation is worth it.
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?
i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?
i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?
i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.
Andy Reid went to bat for his guy, said he deserves a HC spot
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Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.
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Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.
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Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.
@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.
Washington is not a great job. But if he improves them I'm sure people will take notice
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This is quite neat. His wife is still cracking hot too for a woman born in 1958.
@gt12 said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
This is quite neat. His wife is still cracking hot too for a woman born in 1958.
Those were the days. Back when QBs had to call their own plays and on field adjustments
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NFL Free Agency is underway.
A few notable headlines so far:
Derek Carr is the new Saints QB
Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB
Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings
49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles
Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay
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NFL Free Agency is underway.
A few notable headlines so far:
Derek Carr is the new Saints QB
Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB
Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings
49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles
Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay
@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
NFL Free Agency is underway.
A few notable headlines so far:
Derek Carr is the new Saints QB
Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB
Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings
49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles
Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay
49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
NFL Free Agency is underway.
A few notable headlines so far:
Derek Carr is the new Saints QB
Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB
Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings
49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles
Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay
49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
NFL Free Agency is underway.
A few notable headlines so far:
Derek Carr is the new Saints QB
Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB
Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings
49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles
Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay
49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league
Yep makes sense. Darnold gets a chance to rehab his career and 49ers get another QB with starting experience which they'll likely need given how their QBs get injured (and that's assuming Purdy's recovery goes to plan and he makes it back for Week 1).
Meanwhile Darnold's old team the Panthers have traded up to the number 1 pick in the Draft which also makes sense - they need a QB and their aggressive owner is sick of waiting.
