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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    famously the Pats picked some fat slow QB from the bottom of the rubbish bin and he went on to be alright

    And i have this funny feeling that Brady and the Pats kinda warped what success in the NFL looks like. Traditionally, getting to, let alone winning, a SB was really really hard. Being a contender was looked at as success. I feel like now there is far less patience around "winning" and both coaches and QBs are cut far earlier if they don't bring immediate "success"

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    @mariner4life to your point 28 of the 32 NFL head coaches are new to their team from 2017 onwards.

    The exceptions are Bellichick, Reid, Tomlin and Carroll.

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      @Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

      That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.

      Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.

      Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.

      The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.

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      @KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

      @Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

      That's a massive part of what makes the draft so important. The odds of a superstar are tiny, but you can realistically get low end starters and role players each year who are price controlled for at least 3 or 4 years.

      Not just low end starters - you can get star Pro Bowl starters.

      Take the 49ers for example - George Kittle 5th rounder, Fred Warner 3rd rounder, Deebo Samuel 2nd rounder etc. Time will tell but they may have found a gem in 7th round QB Purdy.

      The Seahawks dominant team from a decade ago - Sherman 5th rounder, Chancellor 5th rounder etc.

      For sure, every year there are a few studs. But they're the exception not the rule. If teams could pick them reliably you wouldn't have mid rounders turning into studs. Hell, how many teams passed on Mahomes?

      You can't build a strategy around drafting top 10 players in the draft every year. The saints had one of the best draft classes of all time in 2018 (Lattimore, Williams, Ramzyck, Hendrickson, Kamala). That basically turned the saints from a team in cap hell struggling to get a 500 record to serious contenders virtually overnight. But that's very much an exception to the norm.

      The Rams are super interesting, because they've basically said fuck it and are trading away all their high picks for proven players. It's worked in the sense that they have a ring. But they also used their mid round picks pretty effectively and now have an old, top heavy roster. The bills and the 49ers are dabbling with that strategy too. It's basically recognizing that windows in the NFL are short so going all in when you have a favorable situation is worth it.

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        Eagles lose both their coordinators to head coaching jobs.

        Eagles offensive coordinator Shane Steichen is now the new Colts head coach.

        Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon is now the new Cardinals head coach.

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          Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

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            Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

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            @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

            Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

            Especially as the Eagles defense couldn't stop KC in the 2nd half.

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              Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

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              @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

              Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

              i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

                i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.

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                @mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                Who does Eric Bienemy have to blow to get a HC job this time around?

                i think that it's time people realised that the teams know something the public doesn't.

                Andy Reid went to bat for his guy, said he deserves a HC spot

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                  Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.

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                    Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.

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                    @Cyclops I don't think Bienemy was calling plays at the Chiefs so he will now have that opportunity at the Commanders.

                    Commanders will have second year QB Howell who started the final game of the season.

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                    • CyclopsC Cyclops

                      Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.

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                      @Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                      Bienemy takes the lateral move to the commanders. Also assistant head coach and out of Reid's shadow. Rivera worked under Reid at the eagles so there's that link, but also comes from the defensive side of the ball so Bienemy will get work credit for what the offensive does than under Reid. Will be an interesting season next year, if the commanders offensive looks good he'll have a ton of HC buzz. The commanders offence though is in purgatory without an obvious QB option so could be a tough place to succeed.

                      Washington is not a great job. But if he improves them I'm sure people will take notice

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                        This is quite neat. His wife is still cracking hot too for a woman born in 1958.

                        https://www.facebook.com/reel/6572644402779547

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                          This is quite neat. His wife is still cracking hot too for a woman born in 1958.

                          https://www.facebook.com/reel/6572644402779547

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                          @gt12 said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                          This is quite neat. His wife is still cracking hot too for a woman born in 1958.

                          https://www.facebook.com/reel/6572644402779547

                          Those were the days. Back when QBs had to call their own plays and on field adjustments

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                            NFL Free Agency is underway.

                            A few notable headlines so far:

                            Derek Carr is the new Saints QB

                            Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB

                            Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings

                            49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles

                            Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay

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                            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                              NFL Free Agency is underway.

                              A few notable headlines so far:

                              Derek Carr is the new Saints QB

                              Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB

                              Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings

                              49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles

                              Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay

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                              @KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                              NFL Free Agency is underway.

                              A few notable headlines so far:

                              Derek Carr is the new Saints QB

                              Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB

                              Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings

                              49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles

                              Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay

                              49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league

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                              • canefanC canefan

                                @KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                                NFL Free Agency is underway.

                                A few notable headlines so far:

                                Derek Carr is the new Saints QB

                                Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB

                                Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings

                                49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles

                                Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay

                                49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league

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                                @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                                @KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

                                NFL Free Agency is underway.

                                A few notable headlines so far:

                                Derek Carr is the new Saints QB

                                Jimmy G is the new Raiders QB

                                Broncos looking to shore up their offensive line under Sean Payton with two new signings

                                49ers make a splash on the defensive line snagging DT Hargrave from the Eagles

                                Dolphins trade for cornerback Jalen Ramsay

                                49ers pick up Sam Darnold as a back up for Lance and Purdy. Probably a good move for Sam if he wants to improve enough to one day return as a starting QB in the league

                                Yep makes sense. Darnold gets a chance to rehab his career and 49ers get another QB with starting experience which they'll likely need given how their QBs get injured (and that's assuming Purdy's recovery goes to plan and he makes it back for Week 1).

                                Meanwhile Darnold's old team the Panthers have traded up to the number 1 pick in the Draft which also makes sense - they need a QB and their aggressive owner is sick of waiting.

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                                  Good news for Washington fans and the whole league.

                                  Washington is about to get a new owner.

                                  I wonder if another name change is in the works.

                                  https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1646557301854044184

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                                    https://www.espn.com.au/nfl/story/_/id/36282465/sources-packers-trade-aaron-rodgers-jets-multiple-picks

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                                      https://www.espn.com.au/nfl/story/_/id/36282465/sources-packers-trade-aaron-rodgers-jets-multiple-picks

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                                      @Bovidae at long bloody last.

                                      Anyone know what Gamepass will look like in NZ this season? I'm seriously looking at buying it and going deep down an NFL rabbit hole. THey're changing up, but not sure of pricing/availaiblity - previously we've had massivlye discounted and then discounted access.

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                                        @Bovidae at long bloody last.

                                        Anyone know what Gamepass will look like in NZ this season? I'm seriously looking at buying it and going deep down an NFL rabbit hole. THey're changing up, but not sure of pricing/availaiblity - previously we've had massivlye discounted and then discounted access.

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                                        @nzzp it looks as though DAZN has picked up the NFL GamePass International rights. Waiting on pricing info.

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                                          Bit happening in the NFL today.

                                          Lamar Jackson finally signed his big money deal with the Ravens.

                                          The first round of the Draft is over. 3 QBs picked in the top 4.

                                          Eagles will get strong grades for snagging two star defensive players but time will tell.

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