Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 seriously? the lions are a collection of the best players in 4 rugby playing nations....the chiefs are a domestic franchise that probably had a handful of AB's. add to that there was 3 years between the lions and his run at the chiefs...doesn't really seem that crazy a possibility
I saw it more that he was so long out of NZ rugby that he didn't speak the same language.
ive heard players really rated him and enjoyed being coached by hin
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 seriously? the lions are a collection of the best players in 4 rugby playing nations....the chiefs are a domestic franchise that probably had a handful of AB's. add to that there was 3 years between the lions and his run at the chiefs...doesn't really seem that crazy a possibility
I saw it more that he was so long out of NZ rugby that he didn't speak the same language.
ive heard players really rated him and enjoyed being coached by hin
no way that lasts if theyre losing
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@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 seriously? the lions are a collection of the best players in 4 rugby playing nations....the chiefs are a domestic franchise that probably had a handful of AB's. add to that there was 3 years between the lions and his run at the chiefs...doesn't really seem that crazy a possibility
I saw it more that he was so long out of NZ rugby that he didn't speak the same language.
ive heard players really rated him and enjoyed being coached by hin
no way that lasts if theyre losing
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 seriously? the lions are a collection of the best players in 4 rugby playing nations....the chiefs are a domestic franchise that probably had a handful of AB's. add to that there was 3 years between the lions and his run at the chiefs...doesn't really seem that crazy a possibility
I saw it more that he was so long out of NZ rugby that he didn't speak the same language.
ive heard players really rated him and enjoyed being coached by hin
no way that lasts if theyre losing
well thats what i heard at end of last season and had heard it before.but could be a rumor
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 seriously? the lions are a collection of the best players in 4 rugby playing nations....the chiefs are a domestic franchise that probably had a handful of AB's. add to that there was 3 years between the lions and his run at the chiefs...doesn't really seem that crazy a possibility
I saw it more that he was so long out of NZ rugby that he didn't speak the same language.
ive heard players really rated him and enjoyed being coached by hin
no way that lasts if theyre losing
well thats what i heard at end of last season and had heard it before.but could be a rumor
@ploughboy oh, i believe its quite possible, i only mean that wouldn't last long term if they kept losing
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@ploughboy oh, i believe its quite possible, i only mean that wouldn't last long term if they kept losing
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy oh, i believe its quite possible, i only mean that wouldn't last long term if they kept losing
I don't see why it wouldn't. How many games did they lose?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy oh, i believe its quite possible, i only mean that wouldn't last long term if they kept losing
I don't see why it wouldn't. How many games did they lose?
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@Bones you don't think a coach would lose the dressing room if they just kept loosing?
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bones you don't think a coach would lose the dressing room if they just kept loosing?
How many games did they lose?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bones you don't think a coach would lose the dressing room if they just kept loosing?
How many games did they lose?
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@Bones had to look it up, they lost 8 on the bounce
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bones had to look it up, they lost 8 on the bounce
That's pretty rough, probably right on the tipping point, I guess you'd be starting to go sour after 5-6, but if you really feel like you're getting something out of the coaching I can see how they might still be clinging on to like.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bones had to look it up, they lost 8 on the bounce
That's pretty rough, probably right on the tipping point, I guess you'd be starting to go sour after 5-6, but if you really feel like you're getting something out of the coaching I can see how they might still be clinging on to like.
@Bones all during COVID so maybe the players had "bigger" things on their mind or they were more forgiving of the difficulties
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On the bright side were in a much better state than what we were 4 years ago with some genuine contenders for the role this time.
Schmidt, JJ and Robertson are all capable of doing the job and ironically Gatland would have been in the mix if he'd done a decent/half decent/maybe anything other than horrendous job with the Chiefs.
Literally how he could take a disparate side as any with the BI Lions to a series draw against the AB's in their own backyard to then being unable to get the Chiefs to win a single game is a coaching paradox both tragic and bemusing. Anyway I digress...
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Literally how he could take a disparate side as any with the BI Lions to a series draw against the AB's in their own backyard
Not so much/really the case since the NH club competitions in the pro-Era has meant players are pretty used to playing with each other week in, week out.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Literally how he could take a disparate side as any with the BI Lions to a series draw against the AB's in their own backyard
Not so much/really the case since the NH club competitions in the pro-Era has meant players are pretty used to playing with each other week in, week out.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
playing with each other week in, week out.
Well what the fuck do I know then
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Exclusive: Ian Foster’s plea to New Zealand Rugby over All Blacks’ ‘unnecessary burden’
There are detectable elements of concern, sadness, frustration and disbelief in Ian Foster’s voice as he makes his plea to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) not to disrupt the All Blacks in World Cup year by beginning the hunt for the next coach in March.
What’s not detectable is any hint of self-pity. Foster, who has been told that the NZR board want to have their 2024 All Blacks coaching group contracted by April, has decided to speak to the Herald about his employer’s decision because he genuinely feels it’s one which carries a high risk of unsettling players and management, and won’t benefit the team’s ability to perform.
Self-preservation is not on his agenda. His motivation for speaking out now is not because he believes an early appointment process is the wrong thing for him but is the wrong move for the team, and he has branded it “unnecessary”, saying that his employer should “let the needs of the team outweigh the needs of a few”.
“For the last couple of months I have been watching this discussion about the All Blacks coaching process play out publicly,” Foster says.
“The job that I currently hold and have currently been backed by this board to do through to the World Cup.
“And I have sat back and looked at a whole lot of views that have been put out there. Some have been frustrating to hear and a particular frustration is that there seems to be a focus on setting timetables based on what some preferred candidates feel is right for them versus potentially what is right for this All Blacks team.
“We have got players pushing to be in the right shape, and then to say to some of these people - in April/May - maybe time is up, for some that will be okay and for others it might not, but that is the gamble.
“I think you weigh up the pros and cons of that and I think it is unnecessary.
“Those conversations are best had after a World Cup when everyone is clear and we have the latest data and we know where the team is at and then the board and everyone can make the decision with all the data on the table.
“In the meantime we have got a management team and a coaching group that is fully committed to one goal, which is the World Cup and not trying to position themselves into where they fit in next year’s regime.”
His reference to timetables that suit preferred candidates, suggests that he feels that NZR fear that if they wait to begin the process until after the World Cup, they will lose Scott Robertson and Jamie Joseph to other jobs.
But while that may have been a valid fear in November last year, most of the top-tier nations have now made long-term coaching appointments and neither Robertson nor Joseph seemingly have any genuine offers to which they would be willing to commit to ahead of the World Cup.
What Foster fears is that those not ingrained in the high-performance world will not understand the depth of impact an early re-appointment process will have.
“Going [appointing the next coach] pre- or post- [World Cup] has very little to do with my job, but it has everything to do with the whole environment and the months we are going to spend talking about who is in and who is out of the next regime. That impacts on time with which I think we have better things to do.”
Sending Foster to a World Cup as the coach his employer didn’t want would also provide rivals with an easy means to belittle the All Blacks in the media.
“I believe we have a lot of strength in this group and we can overcome that,” says Foster.
“But for me, it is an unnecessary burden that you put on your own shoulders that we don’t need. Why give a sucker a chance. There is no need to do that. For me it is quite simple, let us prepare 100 per cent for this World Cup.”
Foster’s point is essentially that NZR, having backed him to stay in the role through to the World Cup, have an opportunity to fully support him and the team by delaying the appointment process until after the World Cup, knowing that Robertson and Joseph - and possibly others - will still be available.
And that’s a scenario - going head-to-head with the best coaches New Zealand has - that he would relish.
“My job is to focus on what is right for the team. I love this job and I have got a highly motivated coaching group and management team that are working hard, doing everything we can to make this country proud in France,” Foster said.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
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Exclusive: Ian Foster’s plea to New Zealand Rugby over All Blacks’ ‘unnecessary burden’
There are detectable elements of concern, sadness, frustration and disbelief in Ian Foster’s voice as he makes his plea to New Zealand Rugby (NZR) not to disrupt the All Blacks in World Cup year by beginning the hunt for the next coach in March.
What’s not detectable is any hint of self-pity. Foster, who has been told that the NZR board want to have their 2024 All Blacks coaching group contracted by April, has decided to speak to the Herald about his employer’s decision because he genuinely feels it’s one which carries a high risk of unsettling players and management, and won’t benefit the team’s ability to perform.
Self-preservation is not on his agenda. His motivation for speaking out now is not because he believes an early appointment process is the wrong thing for him but is the wrong move for the team, and he has branded it “unnecessary”, saying that his employer should “let the needs of the team outweigh the needs of a few”.
“For the last couple of months I have been watching this discussion about the All Blacks coaching process play out publicly,” Foster says.
“The job that I currently hold and have currently been backed by this board to do through to the World Cup.
“And I have sat back and looked at a whole lot of views that have been put out there. Some have been frustrating to hear and a particular frustration is that there seems to be a focus on setting timetables based on what some preferred candidates feel is right for them versus potentially what is right for this All Blacks team.
“We have got players pushing to be in the right shape, and then to say to some of these people - in April/May - maybe time is up, for some that will be okay and for others it might not, but that is the gamble.
“I think you weigh up the pros and cons of that and I think it is unnecessary.
“Those conversations are best had after a World Cup when everyone is clear and we have the latest data and we know where the team is at and then the board and everyone can make the decision with all the data on the table.
“In the meantime we have got a management team and a coaching group that is fully committed to one goal, which is the World Cup and not trying to position themselves into where they fit in next year’s regime.”
His reference to timetables that suit preferred candidates, suggests that he feels that NZR fear that if they wait to begin the process until after the World Cup, they will lose Scott Robertson and Jamie Joseph to other jobs.
But while that may have been a valid fear in November last year, most of the top-tier nations have now made long-term coaching appointments and neither Robertson nor Joseph seemingly have any genuine offers to which they would be willing to commit to ahead of the World Cup.
What Foster fears is that those not ingrained in the high-performance world will not understand the depth of impact an early re-appointment process will have.
“Going [appointing the next coach] pre- or post- [World Cup] has very little to do with my job, but it has everything to do with the whole environment and the months we are going to spend talking about who is in and who is out of the next regime. That impacts on time with which I think we have better things to do.”
Sending Foster to a World Cup as the coach his employer didn’t want would also provide rivals with an easy means to belittle the All Blacks in the media.
“I believe we have a lot of strength in this group and we can overcome that,” says Foster.
“But for me, it is an unnecessary burden that you put on your own shoulders that we don’t need. Why give a sucker a chance. There is no need to do that. For me it is quite simple, let us prepare 100 per cent for this World Cup.”
Foster’s point is essentially that NZR, having backed him to stay in the role through to the World Cup, have an opportunity to fully support him and the team by delaying the appointment process until after the World Cup, knowing that Robertson and Joseph - and possibly others - will still be available.
And that’s a scenario - going head-to-head with the best coaches New Zealand has - that he would relish.
“My job is to focus on what is right for the team. I love this job and I have got a highly motivated coaching group and management team that are working hard, doing everything we can to make this country proud in France,” Foster said.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
- Players being "burdened" by the prospect of JJ or Razor coming in........ please.
- Appointing before World Cup destroys any faint hope Foster had of keeping his job. (which he was clearly harboring - delusional)
- Other countries appoint before the World Cup and we are left with whoever isn't picked up. (possibly the riff-raff)
- Suck it up Fozzie. Your ass was saved by Schimdt and Ryan when they were forced upon you.
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- Players being "burdened" by the prospect of JJ or Razor coming in........ please.
- Appointing before World Cup destroys any faint hope Foster had of keeping his job. (which he was clearly harboring - delusional)
- Other countries appoint before the World Cup and we are left with whoever isn't picked up. (possibly the riff-raff)
- Suck it up Fozzie. Your ass was saved by Schimdt and Ryan when they were forced upon you.
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
- Other countries appoint before the World Cup and we are left with whoever isn't picked up. (possibly the riff-raff)
They actually haven't. England and Australia have appointed new coaches recently that have contracts post-RWC, while Ireland, France and SA have/will extend the contracts of their current coaches. Wales and Scotland are in the same position as NZ in that the current coaches contract ends after the RWC. It's not that common for a new coach to be appointed before the current coach has finished, even at SR level.
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So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
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So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
Imagine, the head coach of a National rugby team saying he and his players want to win the RWC. Not only that but, if they do win, wanting the opportunity to put his name forward to carry on.
Outrageous. Totally and utterly outrageous.....
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
Imagine, the head coach of a National rugby team saying he and his players want to win the RWC. Not only that but, if they do win, wanting the opportunity to put his name forward to carry on.
Outrageous. Totally and utterly outrageous.....
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
Imagine, the head coach of a National rugby team saying he and his players want to win the RWC. Not only that but, if they do win, wanting the opportunity to put his name forward to carry on.
Outrageous. Totally and utterly outrageous.....
Who the fuck said it was I just mentioned by his remarks he wanted to maybe carry on, not that it was good bad or anything you made up the rest of your post in your head because apparently you read something else into my post.
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@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
- Other countries appoint before the World Cup and we are left with whoever isn't picked up. (possibly the riff-raff)
They actually haven't. England and Australia have appointed new coaches recently that have contracts post-RWC, while Ireland, France and SA have/will extend the contracts of their current coaches. Wales and Scotland are in the same position as NZ in that the current coaches contract ends after the RWC. It's not that common for a new coach to be appointed before the current coach has finished, even at SR level.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
Imagine, the head coach of a National rugby team saying he and his players want to win the RWC. Not only that but, if they do win, wanting the opportunity to put his name forward to carry on.
Outrageous. Totally and utterly outrageous.....
Who the fuck said it was I just mentioned by his remarks he wanted to maybe carry on, not that it was good bad or anything you made up the rest of your post in your head because apparently you read something else into my post.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Foster would like to keep him job by the sounds of his remarks and wants go to another WC.
“That is our goal. We know we have to earn everyone’s respect. And we want to do that - bring the World Cup home - and if we do, I want to be able to stand up, and I’d like the opportunity to say that maybe I would like to have another crack at this job.”
Imagine, the head coach of a National rugby team saying he and his players want to win the RWC. Not only that but, if they do win, wanting the opportunity to put his name forward to carry on.
Outrageous. Totally and utterly outrageous.....
Who the fuck said it was I just mentioned by his remarks he wanted to maybe carry on, not that it was good bad or anything you made up the rest of your post in your head because apparently you read something else into my post.
Calm down. I didn't make any comment or have any thoughts on whether you thought it good or bad. My point was about the banality of the Foster quote in the article - what else does anyone expect him, or any other Head Coach, to say, FFS?
