Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris yes joe has other issues which were not made clear today so that's it sad news
I hope they are not serious issues of any kind.
Maybe it's the same family circumstances that brought him back from Ireland in the first place
Yeah that must be a factor that hasn’t gone away.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris yes joe has other issues which were not made clear today so that's it sad news
I hope they are not serious issues of any kind.
Maybe it's the same family circumstances that brought him back from Ireland in the first place
Yeah that must be a factor that hasn’t gone away.
He has a sick kid doesn’t he?
Yes, debilitating disease I think.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris yes joe has other issues which were not made clear today so that's it sad news
I hope they are not serious issues of any kind.
Maybe it's the same family circumstances that brought him back from Ireland in the first place
Yeah that must be a factor that hasn’t gone away.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris yes joe has other issues which were not made clear today so that's it sad news
I hope they are not serious issues of any kind.
Maybe it's the same family circumstances that brought him back from Ireland in the first place
Yeah that must be a factor that hasn’t gone away.
He has a sick kid doesn’t he?
Yes, debilitating disease I think.
He has epilepsy
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Hope that aren’t taking applications from any coach that takes a champion team and loses against the Drua
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Hope that aren’t taking applications from any coach that takes a champion team and loses against the Drua
Cheers. I haven't watched the game yet.
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I am absolutely shocked and appalled by that. My faith in anonymous internet sources has taken a real hit. Feeling a bit lost right now.
@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I am absolutely shocked and appalled by that. My faith in anonymous internet sources has taken a real hit. Feeling a bit lost right now.
The internet just sends disappointment after disappointment.
Maybe if I got a Twitter account I'd get the truth??!!!
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I am absolutely shocked and appalled by that. My faith in anonymous internet sources has taken a real hit. Feeling a bit lost right now.
@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I am absolutely shocked and appalled by that. My faith in anonymous internet sources has taken a real hit. Feeling a bit lost right now.
Will get you the real oil later today.
I'm having a beer with a bloke this afternoon, and his brother's best friend's cousin has a sister-in-law whose next-door neighbour's baby-sitter's boyfriend has a mate who works in the coffee shop next street down from NZR HQ....
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Well this is surprising
.....given he got the job 3 weeks ago.....Joe Schmidt won’t apply for the All Blacks head coaching role. Schmidt released a short statement on Saturday that also ruled out the possibility of him working with either Scott Robertson or Jamie Joseph, the leading candidates to succeed Ian Foster. “I have really enjoyed being back on the grass coaching with the Blues and the All Blacks,” he said. “I very much appreciate those opportunities, but presented with a condensed time frame this year, I won’t be applying for any coaching roles that extend beyond the Rugby World Cup.@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
presented with a condensed time frame this year
I wonder what that really means and if it is really the key reason...
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@george33 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris yes joe has other issues which were not made clear today so that's it sad news
sad news because he won't apply or because of his not made public except to you (and others in the know) reasons?
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So Schmit got the job but a couple of weeks later it suddenly dawned on him that he had a child with special needs and had to turn it down?
I heard they offered the captaincy to McCaw. He said yes, but then realised he'd retired.
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So Schmit got the job but a couple of weeks later it suddenly dawned on him that he had a child with special needs and had to turn it down?
I heard they offered the captaincy to McCaw. He said yes, but then realised he'd retired.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I heard they offered the captaincy to McCaw. He said yes, but then realised he'd retired.
I heard it was Charlie Ngatai
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I generally like Canterbury but this last dance plagiarism bullshit around Robinson leave gives me the shits.
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@Tim said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Hooroo said in Drua v Crusaders:
dance plagiarism
Did he steal that dance from another coach?
What?
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@Tim said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Hooroo said in Drua v Crusaders:
dance plagiarism
Did he steal that dance from another coach?
What?
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@Tim think he is referring to 'last dance' plagiarism as opposed to 'dance plagiarism'
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Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
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Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
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@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference. -
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
@Yeahtheboys said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
Nah that's not fair. Most stacked squad in history is a ludicrous statement.
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@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
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Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
@Yeahtheboys said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
How old are you?
Graham Henry's 90's Blues teams had 14 All Blacks in their starting side.
As good squads (or better) off the top of my head - Blues 1996, 1997, 1998, 2003, Brumbies 2001, 2004, Bulls 2007, 2009, 2010, Crusaders 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2011, 2014. Hurricanes 2015, 2016.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.
