Foster, Robertson etc
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
And lost to everyone else,I wish I never replied to your silly comment to be honest.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
@Dan54 the only direct compare can do between Razor and Foster is super rugby.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 36c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
https://www.rugby.com.au/match-centre/205/2022/523152?tab=Player-Lineup
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 36c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
https://www.rugby.com.au/match-centre/205/2022/523152?tab=Player-Lineup
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
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This fůcking thread. I didn't think it was possible but it has gotten even more retarded the past few days.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite the All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite the All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
Define least disrupted.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
Define least disrupted.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
Define least disrupted.
Our players were back playing for their Super Rugby clubs within two months, the Pumas players for example didn't have any match preparation at all going into the rugby championship:
**Ledesma said: "It has to be up there. As a coach, the best one, because of everything we lived and experienced and the whole emotional journey that we've been through. Some of the boys haven't seen their families for four months."
The Pumas released a video on the morning of the match, revealing how their players had dealt with the COVID-19 lockdown. Some had spent as long as four months in isolation and more than a dozen contracted COVID-19 before they came to Australia.
From backyard scrum sessions, to defence drills in team rooms, to meals in hotel isolation, the group had gone through it all to make the truncated tournament possible.**
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 36c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
https://www.rugby.com.au/match-centre/205/2022/523152?tab=Player-Lineup
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ploughboy said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 39c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
https://www.rugby.com.au/match-centre/205/2022/523152?tab=Player-Lineup
Tell me you're not a parody account. Please.
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@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Drua v Crusaders:
@Yeahtheboys said in Drua v Crusaders:
Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.I’m happy to give him credit for the latest players then, but if that is the case, Blackadder should likely get credit for Mo’unga (Saders WTG before Razor) as presumedky he drove recruitment at that time.
Probably Blackadder should he just couldn't get the team together as a winning unit
Although Razor bought him through Canterbury First so you could say he got him ready for SR.Ha ha, so we can change the argument here as we wish. Wherever Razor influenced them, he gets the credit. Got it.
Not changing the argument adding to it,I said "you could say" as I don't know what influence Blackadder had in Mounga's development.
It is opinions on what you see,I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.
But what of the implications if Jamie is appointed? Joseph & Brown are close with McLeod, can't see them jettisoning old mate.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.
But what of the implications if Jamie is appointed? Joseph & Brown are close with McLeod, can't see them jettisoning old mate.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I honestly would prefer Razor but will not be upset if it's JJ,as long as Foster fucks off and takes McLeod with him.
But what of the implications if Jamie is appointed? Joseph & Brown are close with McLeod, can't see them jettisoning old mate.
that would piss me off no end, we need a clean out except for Ryan.
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A rather inconsequential result as they were clearly prioritizing Blues match this week
Like Foster prioritised the Bledisloe last year...?
And still only managed a 55% record in 2020 despite All Blacks being the least disrupted by the pandemic of any team.
Define least disrupted.
Our players were back playing for their Super Rugby clubs within two months, the Pumas players for example didn't have any match preparation at all going into the rugby championship:
**Ledesma said: "It has to be up there. As a coach, the best one, because of everything we lived and experienced and the whole emotional journey that we've been through. Some of the boys haven't seen their families for four months."
The Pumas released a video on the morning of the match, revealing how their players had dealt with the COVID-19 lockdown. Some had spent as long as four months in isolation and more than a dozen contracted COVID-19 before they came to Australia.
From backyard scrum sessions, to defence drills in team rooms, to meals in hotel isolation, the group had gone through it all to make the truncated tournament possible.**
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Is Scott Robertson still the best coach thats ever been?
Maybe winning with the most stacked squad in history DOESNT mean youre the best coach...
If he can take a squad like this and do something then he may be in the picture for the AB's, have yet to see him take an underdog team / squad and make it better.
He took Blackadder's squad who weren't capable of winning super rugby and who had lost experienced ABs ... and I think many posters would agree made it better.
Also a lot of Crusaders have become Ab's during Razor's time as coach,They were not all AB's from somewhere else.
A large number have won titles under Razor and under Foster well FFS there is the difference.Huge influence of the Saders / Ta$man influence during that time. I think I count 15/49 new ABs from Saders country and that overall much of the credit should go to the organization. I think 5 of them are through Ta$man/academy rather than Canterbury/academy, indicating it is much more than Razor finishing the job.
Mo’unga is the best example of your argument alongside Goodhue, Bridge, and more recently Grace and Newell.
However, they recruited Bower and Reece. Whether they would have gone further elsewhere is an interesting question.
From my perspective, I think it is more about the quality of the recruitment/development in the backs, and the quality of the squad overall - players like Hall were really fantastic at the Super level and the Saders often had two players who could interchange (eg, Hall, Drummond).
I’m not trying to take away from Razor’s achievements but I’m not convinced he needs that much credit for making these guys ABs. Firstly, it appears to be much more than the coach but rather the organization itself. Secondly, success helps recruitment and helps players get a better chance of making the next level.
Agreed but Razor drives those recruitment and Academy programmes and is at the fore front of Recruitment which is another strong string to his bow.
Not just a coach but a great identifier of Talent and putting the finishing touches to make them AB's.Some credit due there.is there anything he carnt do?
Beat the Drua?
Well he did that last year so he can.
Yep and being the equal of Drua is where his record will stand, funny how Foster was so bad because ABs lost to Pumas lol
Not a good comparison given Foster lost to the Pumas twice by over 7 points after naming full strength All Black teams on both occasions.
Crusaders lost by 1 point after rotating the side, not to mention injuries to 9 players & having to field 3 players from the development squad.
A rather inconsequential result within the context of 15 Rounds as they were clearly prioritizing Blues game this week and with it being played in March daytime 36c peak humidity both teams couldn't string together any continuity whatsoever making it an utterly mangled game to watch.
One of the most turgid displays of rugby I've seen, embarrassing to be scheduling so early in day in one of hottest months of the year in peak humidity, the Crusaders players looked like they weren't awakened to conditions until game was almost done.
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where they lost 34-35, to what might add was a much stronger & more experienced Chiefs side than the Crusaders rolled out last weekend:
https://www.rugby.com.au/match-centre/205/2022/523152?tab=Player-Lineup
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where
Image how much they'd have beaten Robertson's Crusaders by if they'd have been match-fit....
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Scott Robertson is a rugby coach of legendary proportions. He stands tall amongst his peers, a colossus of the coaching world, with a determination and commitment that is unrivalled. His skills as a coach are unparalleled and he is surely one of the greatest men of his generation.
Robertson's coaching philosophy is like that of a master craftsman, taking the raw materials of his team and forging them into a powerful and formidable unit. He has an intuitive understanding of the game, and his ability to read the play and make the right decisions is simply breathtaking. He is like an artist, with an eye for detail and a desire to create a masterpiece.
Robertson is also a man of boundless energy and passion. His love for the game is infectious, and his enthusiasm is nothing short of inspirational. He is like a firebrand, igniting the hearts and minds of his team, and propelling them to victory. His never-say-die attitude is the stuff of legend, and he leads from the front, urging his team on to ever-greater heights.
But Robertson is much more than just a coach. He is a leader, a mentor, and a friend. He has an innate ability to connect with his players, to understand their fears and aspirations, and to guide them towards their goals. He is like a father figure, providing guidance and support, and instilling in his team the values of hard work, discipline, and respect.
In conclusion, Scott Robertson is a coach of unparalleled greatness. His skills, his passion, and his commitment to the game are nothing short of extraordinary. He is surely one of the greatest men of his generation, and his legacy will be felt for generations to come. If there is one coach who deserves to be remembered as a true legend of the game, it is Scott Robertson.
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Scott Robertson is a rugby coach of legendary proportions. He stands tall amongst his peers, a colossus of the coaching world, with a determination and commitment that is unrivalled. His skills as a coach are unparalleled and he is surely one of the greatest men of his generation.
Robertson's coaching philosophy is like that of a master craftsman, taking the raw materials of his team and forging them into a powerful and formidable unit. He has an intuitive understanding of the game, and his ability to read the play and make the right decisions is simply breathtaking. He is like an artist, with an eye for detail and a desire to create a masterpiece.
Robertson is also a man of boundless energy and passion. His love for the game is infectious, and his enthusiasm is nothing short of inspirational. He is like a firebrand, igniting the hearts and minds of his team, and propelling them to victory. His never-say-die attitude is the stuff of legend, and he leads from the front, urging his team on to ever-greater heights.
But Robertson is much more than just a coach. He is a leader, a mentor, and a friend. He has an innate ability to connect with his players, to understand their fears and aspirations, and to guide them towards their goals. He is like a father figure, providing guidance and support, and instilling in his team the values of hard work, discipline, and respect.
In conclusion, Scott Robertson is a coach of unparalleled greatness. His skills, his passion, and his commitment to the game are nothing short of extraordinary. He is surely one of the greatest men of his generation, and his legacy will be felt for generations to come. If there is one coach who deserves to be remembered as a true legend of the game, it is Scott Robertson.
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Scott Robertson is a rugby coach of legendary proportions. He stands tall amongst his peers, a colossus of the coaching world, with a determination and commitment that is unrivalled. His skills as a coach are unparalleled and he is surely one of the greatest men of his generation.
Robertson's coaching philosophy is like that of a master craftsman, taking the raw materials of his team and forging them into a powerful and formidable unit. He has an intuitive understanding of the game, and his ability to read the play and make the right decisions is simply breathtaking. He is like an artist, with an eye for detail and a desire to create a masterpiece.
Robertson is also a man of boundless energy and passion. His love for the game is infectious, and his enthusiasm is nothing short of inspirational. He is like a firebrand, igniting the hearts and minds of his team, and propelling them to victory. His never-say-die attitude is the stuff of legend, and he leads from the front, urging his team on to ever-greater heights.
But Robertson is much more than just a coach. He is a leader, a mentor, and a friend. He has an innate ability to connect with his players, to understand their fears and aspirations, and to guide them towards their goals. He is like a father figure, providing guidance and support, and instilling in his team the values of hard work, discipline, and respect.
In conclusion, Scott Robertson is a coach of unparalleled greatness. His skills, his passion, and his commitment to the game are nothing short of extraordinary. He is surely one of the greatest men of his generation, and his legacy will be felt for generations to come. If there is one coach who deserves to be remembered as a true legend of the game, it is Scott Robertson.
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I agree the Saders loss to Drua is inconsequential in the context of Super rugby, Robertson's plans will cover the entire year and making sure they are there at the business end of the season. It does highlight the difference between coaching at Super level and test level though, there's no such thing as an inconsequential loss when you are AB head coach, even if they are exactly that in the context of the competitions they are playing in. E.G. we won Bledisloe and TRC last year, but most fans think the year was a complete disaster worthy of immediately sacking the coach.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Last year Drua didn't play any games in Fiji due to Covid until the winter months, where
Image how much they'd have beaten Robertson's Crusaders by if they'd have been match-fit....
@Victor-Meldrew @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Image how much they'd have beaten Robertson's Crusaders by if they'd have been match-fit....
they didn't stop playing, their home games were in Aus for a few months, and that was last year.
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@Dan54 Cripes, the silliness of your arguments are mind-blowing. I understand the logical arguments against Razor and they are legit but bloody hell......
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 Cripes, the silliness of your arguments are mind-blowing. I understand the logical arguments against Razor and they are legit but bloody hell......
Get a bloody humour transplant, it was obviously a pisstake FFS!!!
