All Blacks World Cup bolters
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@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
I thought last year was the time for more fresh blood. Can't see Fozzie being ambitious now bar injury. Look how long it took to move Jordie.
The treatment of Perofeta, Leicester, Sowakula, RTS, Fakatava and even the like of Sotutu, Vaii or Aumua would leave some people scratching their heads for various reasons, never mind adding more new blood to be capped and scrapped.
There are already players within the squad who haven't been given a decent crack of the whip.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
I thought last year was the time for more fresh blood. Can't see Fozzie being ambitious now bar injury. Look how long it took to move Jordie.
The treatment of Perofeta, Leicester, Sowakula, RTS, Fakatava and even the like of Sotutu, Vaii or Aumua would leave some people scratching their heads for various reasons, never mind adding more new blood to be capped and scrapped.
There are already players within the squad who haven't been given a decent crack of the whip.
In relation to this, it ws a big mistake to not have an easy touch against a Samoa or Tonga before the Irish series. The stakes got too high too soon for Fozzie and we were in damage limitation mode by the second game of the season.
It put paid to a lot of bolters chances.
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.@Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.Fair enough. Maybe its my own biases but he was always a 12 for me. That where he played at NZ youth level.
HIs boot off the tee rendered him undroppable but I prefer incision from my full back.
I want a full back who makes line breaks and has the opposition back pedalling with a load of fatties offside.
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There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
i think i always think you see real bolters when you have a settled squad and so you can afford to think outside the box, either bring in someone "different" or blood someone new. current AB's might not be settled to look too much past our first and second choice players
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@Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.Fair enough. Maybe its my own biases but he was always a 12 for me. That where he played at NZ youth level.
HIs boot off the tee rendered him undroppable but I prefer incision from my full back.
I want a full back who makes line breaks and has the opposition back pedalling with a load of fatties offside.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.Fair enough. Maybe its my own biases but he was always a 12 for me. That where he played at NZ youth level.
HIs boot off the tee rendered him undroppable but I prefer incision from my full back.
I want a full back who makes line breaks and has the opposition back pedalling with a load of fatties offside.
Interesting that one Christian Cullen played all youth level rugby too, and didn't go flash when he went back there.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
i think i always think you see real bolters when you have a settled squad and so you can afford to think outside the box, either bring in someone "different" or blood someone new. current AB's might not be settled to look too much past our first and second choice players
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
i think i always think you see real bolters when you have a settled squad and so you can afford to think outside the box, either bring in someone "different" or blood someone new. current AB's might not be settled to look too much past our first and second choice players
I can't see any bolters and even Stevenson won't make it barring injuries. I think in Rmo, BB, Perofeta and DMac we will have 10-15 covered. By same token any bolter at this stage will be on wing or some such place, they going to want a reasonably settled team from here on in!
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
i think i always think you see real bolters when you have a settled squad and so you can afford to think outside the box, either bring in someone "different" or blood someone new. current AB's might not be settled to look too much past our first and second choice players
I can't see any bolters and even Stevenson won't make it barring injuries. I think in Rmo, BB, Perofeta and DMac we will have 10-15 covered. By same token any bolter at this stage will be on wing or some such place, they going to want a reasonably settled team from here on in!
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@george33 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Dan54 yes Stephenson won't b a bolter as he's goin to roosters
I am enjoying your shot gun approach to sources and or predictions. One of these days you will be right.
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@george33 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Dan54 yes Stephenson won't b a bolter as he's goin to roosters
I am enjoying your shot gun approach to sources and or predictions. One of these days you will be right.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@george33 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Dan54 yes Stephenson won't b a bolter as he's goin to roosters
I am enjoying your shot gun approach to sources and or predictions. One of these days you will be right.
to be fair, every single player that hits the market goes to the Roosters so i give this claim more credence than most
people play there for unders because culture you know
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@Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.Fair enough. Maybe its my own biases but he was always a 12 for me. That where he played at NZ youth level.
HIs boot off the tee rendered him undroppable but I prefer incision from my full back.
I want a full back who makes line breaks and has the opposition back pedalling with a load of fatties offside.
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Look how long it took to move Jordie.
This is growing more and more as an urban legend.
Was there an expectation that the AB coach would move his best performing fullback on the basis of some internet comment that 'Jordie played 12 at school and for some NPC games, he is our answer'?
Even once Jordie convinced his franchise coach to give him time there he looked shoddy for a game or so then average. Potential was there undoubtedly and I understand the frustration with other players in the position but don't make out that it was clear and obvious neglect that Jordie wasn't the AB 12. It was far from it. His first run there filling in was average and then he clicked. This was in a team under the pump.Fair enough. Maybe its my own biases but he was always a 12 for me. That where he played at NZ youth level.
HIs boot off the tee rendered him undroppable but I prefer incision from my full back.
I want a full back who makes line breaks and has the opposition back pedalling with a load of fatties offside.
It was pretty clear and obvious to anyone who had actually followed his career. As you say, he came through the entire system at 12 and I'd wager he would have played there if he'd stayed down south. The Canes were never going to shift Laumape from 12 and SBW was the AB 12. There were plenty of good arguments for him at 15, but I never felt he had the acceleration or defensive nous to be there. Why he wasn't at least tried at 12 (at least before 13 and 14 ffs) is an absolute mystery. It's ridiculous that it took a freak run of injuries for it to happen. Anyone claiming he was shoddy the very few times he was selected there is speaking nonsense.
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How about Owen Franks as a bolter? Well a resurrected bolter…
His test try scoring record might be second to none (or is that first to none), but he’s shown he still has the goods as a defensive prop. As a back up option he’s a very safe pair of hands in a RWC squad.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
How about Owen Franks as a bolter? Well a resurrected bolter…
His test try scoring record might be second to none (or is that first to none), but he’s shown he still has the goods as a defensive prop. As a back up option he’s a very safe pair of hands in a RWC squad.
Agree with everything apart from the expression-reliable scrummager rather than "a very safe pair of hands" ...
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There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
@Duluth said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
There hasn’t been many bolters suggested in thread. I guess that means people think, outside of maybe Stevenson, there’s not going to be new caps?
I'm waiting to see which Super player assaults a women in the next few months, that'll be my pick.
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Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
@Nepia said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Turning up with the likes of Perenara, ALB, Goodhue, Havili et al won't cut the mustard anyway.
They weren't the answer 4 years ago.
He doesn't belong in that group.
I hear you, but vanilla won't win this World Cup. We need to put his brain in Ioanes body.
ALB is a decent defender, but Ringrose, Danty, Fickou, Henshaw, Aki etc will eat him without salt on attack.
We need a scalpel or a wrecking ball. He is neither.
We tried all this in 2019. It didn't work.
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I would hardly call Stevenson a bolter. More like a player on form over last few months who deserves selection. It’s not like he’s suddenly come from nowhere to appear in a squad where no-one had thought to mention him.
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I would hardly call Stevenson a bolter. More like a player on form over last few months who deserves selection. It’s not like he’s suddenly come from nowhere to appear in a squad where no-one had thought to mention him.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
I would hardly call Stevenson a bolter. More like a player on form over last few months who deserves selection. It’s not like he’s suddenly come from nowhere to appear in a squad where no-one had thought to mention him.
Well considering he wasnt initially selected for the dirt trackers 15 in November.
He is a bolter under the current coach.
He can't be ignored.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
I would hardly call Stevenson a bolter. More like a player on form over last few months who deserves selection. It’s not like he’s suddenly come from nowhere to appear in a squad where no-one had thought to mention him.
Well considering he wasnt initially selected for the dirt trackers 15 in November.
He is a bolter under the current coach.
He can't be ignored.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Stevenson
Gotta love the non news articles of coach A think his player B is great. A real article would beat coach saying nah they're not good enough
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Weird thread. Sowakula also had great form in the first part of the 2022 SRP season, but faded badly in the later rounds. Should never have been picked for the ABs.
Early form means nothing.
@Stargazer
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@Stargazer
It's not just early form. He was outstanding for the ABs XV last year.@cgrant was hitting form in super last year too and was outstanding in the NPC too, for all the weight that adds.
