All Blacks 2023
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@nostrildamus IIRC there was always an article about Henry or Hansen when they would spend time with nrl and nfl teams (or thier players/coaches visited the ABs) so either the media lost interest in what stuff Fozzie is doing, or he hasn't been looking at things outside rugby as his predecessors did (not that I can remember anyway)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus IIRC there was always an article about Henry or Hansen when they would spend time with nrl and nfl teams (or thier players/coaches visited the ABs) so either the media lost interest in what stuff Fozzie is doing, or he hasn't been looking at things outside rugby as his predecessors did (not that I can remember anyway)
Yes I don't know either. I'm not trying to put the boot into Foster or the NZR here I just wonder what could be improved.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
100% agree with this.
So what have you fellas done about it? Have you actually put forward suggestions in the NZR review? Or got suggestions who or what should be done? I will add I didn't as I haven't got great ideas what should be done.
I not disagreeing that changes could be made, bloody easy for us to say it without having answers isn't it?@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
So who is responsible for dropping the ball here NZR,Foster as AB Hc who has a part in development ideas etc for the elite young players coming though or all of them.
It seems they have sat back on their hands not looking to keep moving to stay ahead, and let other countries fly right past them in development of the next few tiers of players coming though.
I don't think blaming everything on Foster and/or the people who appointed him helps us much, if at all. Problems almost certainly run way deeper than that and probably go back for years with a complacency that NZ rugby and rugby players are somehow inherently superior to anyone else.
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
NZ rugby really needs to take a good hard look at itself and plot a way forward.
100% agree with this.
So what have you fellas done about it? Have you actually put forward suggestions in the NZR review? Or got suggestions who or what should be done? I will add I didn't as I haven't got great ideas what should be done.
I not disagreeing that changes could be made, bloody easy for us to say it without having answers isn't it?Sadly, I left the business turnaround consultancy business a few years back....
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/former-all-black-names-his-three-nz-halfbacks-for-rwc/
He picks Smith, Christie, and Weber, which is probably who they'll take.
Smith is obviously number one, and Weber is the only other halfback I'd trust to start a game. Christie has been good off the bench, but I wouldn't want him on for much more than 30 minutes. Probably down to Christie and Roigard for that third spot, or will Ratima force his way in? I haven't seen enough of Roigard yet to make a judgement of him.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/former-all-black-names-his-three-nz-halfbacks-for-rwc/
He picks Smith, Christie, and Weber, which is probably who they'll take.
Smith is obviously number one, and Weber is the only other halfback I'd trust to start a game. Christie has been good off the bench, but I wouldn't want him on for much more than 30 minutes. Probably down to Christie and Roigard for that third spot, or will Ratima force his way in? I haven't seen enough of Roigard yet to make a judgement of him.
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@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Christie doesn't really excite me
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Christie doesn't really excite me
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Christie doesn't really excite me
The few times I really noticed Christie he looked competent but more recently he seemed to fall apart a little under stress, and Weber impresses me sometimes with his speed and pass.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
Roigard looks very very good so far. I will watch his defense as someone claimed it's a weakness. But if he keeps on improving like he has this year or plays close to the last game he should go. Subject to defense and consistency
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Mentions in press that Sevu Reece's knee injury may be a season ender. Not sure if that is just Super Season but that door in the outside back RWC squad has just opened a little.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
@taniwharugby other side of the coin...we have to put up with people giving us shit about poaching players....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
Combinations will come into it as well.
If Weber and DMac form a good book then that could be a factor.
Roigard has an advantage of a combo with Ardie. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
Combinations will come into it as well.
If Weber and DMac form a good book then that could be a factor.
Roigard has an advantage of a combo with Ardie.@Crucial definitely, going into the RWC existing combo have to be a safe option
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
Combinations will come into it as well.
If Weber and DMac form a good book then that could be a factor.
Roigard has an advantage of a combo with Ardie.@Crucial Christie and Beaudie... :fishing_pole:
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Tim I'll be surprised if foster drops Christie. Think Roigard is in a battle with Weber, probably come down to who doesn't fade.
Roigard is the bold choice, Webber has runs on the board in the black jersey
What advantage does Christie have over Weber?
Alphabetical?
I'd love for them to pull in a newbie (Roigard or Ratima) and then only take one of Weber or Christie (Weber is my choice presently)
Smith is #1 but hopefully he has.been keeping his powder dry with his lack of running, cos we need a 9 who is more than a pass or kick...
Combinations will come into it as well.
If Weber and DMac form a good book then that could be a factor.
Roigard has an advantage of a combo with Ardie. -
I wouldn't write off Fakatava yet. He's returning from a big injury and I expect him to get better and better during the season.
@Stargazer the biggest problem he has i think is hunt is making him (the whole backline) look average, fakatava did look more smith like against the force though, fast to the breakdown, even tried a dummy and tested the defence in close which was good
