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  • A ARHS

    Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

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    @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

    Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

    Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

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    • DuluthD Duluth

      @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

      Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

      Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

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      @Duluth probably this

      Im a big nareki fan....but i think he'd have to win the title for us single handedly to earn an AB spot now

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      • DuluthD Duluth

        @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

        Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

        Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

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        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

        @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

        Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

        Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

        Squad balance has to be a thought though. All 4 seems overkill.

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        • DuluthD Duluth

          @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

          Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

          Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

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          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

          @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

          Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

          Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

          Is Perofeta really a vital cog in this wheel? His considerable lack of game time indicates that even the people that selected him don't really rate him to do the job?

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          • Windows97W Windows97

            @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

            @ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:

            Maybe Emoni Narawa or Jona Nareki will mount a bid as a flair winger for AB's. Shame about Sevu. I loved his energy on the field.

            Or they just fill his spot with McKenzie and then they don't have to drop Perofeta/Mo'unga/Barrett

            Is Perofeta really a vital cog in this wheel? His considerable lack of game time indicates that even the people that selected him don't really rate him to do the job?

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            @Windows97 doesn’t have to be vital. Does he offer more than an uncapped specialist wing? I just mentioned it as a possibility. DMac has gone well on the wing at Test level before

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            • DuluthD Duluth

              @Windows97 doesn’t have to be vital. Does he offer more than an uncapped specialist wing? I just mentioned it as a possibility. DMac has gone well on the wing at Test level before

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              @Duluth I just can't really see Perofeta offering much at all. I assumed he first made the team based off his combination with BB, though as BB's star wanes almost to the point of becoming a black hole that justification seems less and less likely.

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                If Reiko IOANE signs for nz rugby and blues he will b highest payed AB more than the captain getting close to decision time only 500k needed think he mite stay wants that 4 year deal tho

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                  I doubt Cane is the highest paid AB. That is probably B Barrett, or one of the veteran locks.

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    I doubt Cane is the highest paid AB. That is probably B Barrett, or one of the veteran locks.

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                    @Bovidae Cane without u no what on alot less

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                      So many posts and no mention of Ennor? Come on people, you know that's the Fozzie answer.

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                      • BonesB Bones

                        So many posts and no mention of Ennor? Come on people, you know that's the Fozzie answer.

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                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

                        So many posts and no mention of Ennor? Come on people, you know that's the Fozzie answer.

                        Downvote

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                          Steve
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                          Really worried about Beauden Barrett.

                          He has gone to ratshit, which is a sad to thing to be saying.

                          We won't be beating FRA,IRE,ENG or SA in knockout rugby with game management like that.

                          Mo'unga not pulling up any trees either.

                          DMAC playing the best of the 10's but his occasional sideways Jack Russell-esque scamper is going to have him gobbled up by the colossal back rows and centres knocking about at world level.

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                            Really worried about Beauden Barrett.

                            He has gone to ratshit, which is a sad to thing to be saying.

                            We won't be beating FRA,IRE,ENG or SA in knockout rugby with game management like that.

                            Mo'unga not pulling up any trees either.

                            DMAC playing the best of the 10's but his occasional sideways Jack Russell-esque scamper is going to have him gobbled up by the colossal back rows and centres knocking about at world level.

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                            SBW1
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                            @Steve This is not surprising think I can remember a similar pattern in previous World Cups. Maybe the last World Cup isn't really something we want to repeat, 2015 is however one we do want to repeat.

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                              10 has been a bit of a weakness since DC.
                              But we have never looked this bad
                              I'm sure we will start Mo'unga, so hoping his form improves.
                              BB seems to have dropped off a very high cliff

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                                Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

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                                  Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                  6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                  Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                  9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                  Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                  12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                  Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                  Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                  Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

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                                  Steve
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                                  @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                  6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                  Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                  9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                  Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                  12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                  Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                  Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                  Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                                  Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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                                    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                                    Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                    6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                    Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                    9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                    Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                    12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                    Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                    Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                    Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                                    Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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                                    Crazy Horse
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                                    @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

                                    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                                    Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                    6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                    Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                    9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                    Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                    12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                    Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                    Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                    Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                                    Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

                                    He would be a risk given his injury rate. It's hard to imagine him getting through a world cup.

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                                    • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                      @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                      6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                      Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                      9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                      Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                      12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                      Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                      Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                      Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                                      Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

                                      He would be a risk given his injury rate. It's hard to imagine him getting through a world cup.

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                                      @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

                                      I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

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                                        @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

                                        I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

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                                        Crazy Horse
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                                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

                                        I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

                                        Yeah if the selectors think he's good enough then fine, select him. They just need to be accept he is not likely to see out the campaign and plan accordingly. I would be surprised if he's fit for selection in the first place unfortunately.

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                                          @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                                          6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                                          Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                                          9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                                          Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                                          12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                                          Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                                          Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                                          Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                                          Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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                                          george33
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                                          @Steve sorry Blackadder won't b at cup unless injuries sway the balance of the squad

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