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  • S Steve

    Really worried about Beauden Barrett.

    He has gone to ratshit, which is a sad to thing to be saying.

    We won't be beating FRA,IRE,ENG or SA in knockout rugby with game management like that.

    Mo'unga not pulling up any trees either.

    DMAC playing the best of the 10's but his occasional sideways Jack Russell-esque scamper is going to have him gobbled up by the colossal back rows and centres knocking about at world level.

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    @Steve This is not surprising think I can remember a similar pattern in previous World Cups. Maybe the last World Cup isn't really something we want to repeat, 2015 is however one we do want to repeat.

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      10 has been a bit of a weakness since DC.
      But we have never looked this bad
      I'm sure we will start Mo'unga, so hoping his form improves.
      BB seems to have dropped off a very high cliff

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        Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

        6, 8, 10, 12, 13

        Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

        9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

        Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

        12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

        Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

        Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

        Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

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          Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

          6, 8, 10, 12, 13

          Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

          9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

          Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

          12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

          Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

          Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

          Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

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          @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

          Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

          6, 8, 10, 12, 13

          Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

          9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

          Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

          12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

          Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

          Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

          Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

          Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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            @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

            Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

            6, 8, 10, 12, 13

            Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

            9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

            Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

            12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

            Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

            Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

            Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

            Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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            @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

            @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

            Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

            6, 8, 10, 12, 13

            Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

            9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

            Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

            12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

            Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

            Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

            Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

            Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

            He would be a risk given his injury rate. It's hard to imagine him getting through a world cup.

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              @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

              @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

              Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

              6, 8, 10, 12, 13

              Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

              9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

              Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

              12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

              Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

              Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

              Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

              Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

              He would be a risk given his injury rate. It's hard to imagine him getting through a world cup.

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              @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

              I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

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                @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

                I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

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                @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

                @Crazy-Horse If that was a valid argument for non-selection, the same would apply to other players, most notably the captain.

                I'm not buying it. Select the best and keep some players at close distance in Europe for when injury strikes.

                Yeah if the selectors think he's good enough then fine, select him. They just need to be accept he is not likely to see out the campaign and plan accordingly. I would be surprised if he's fit for selection in the first place unfortunately.

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                  @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

                  Key positional concerns for me at this stage of the season in a world cup year.

                  6, 8, 10, 12, 13

                  Ardie aside we just don't have the world class players here - certainly no established combination and can't see Foster not playing Cane at 7... so Ardie is our 8 and comfortably our best loosie... 6 I'd have Blackadder over both Frizzel and Ioane currently - but in my opinion our stock of 6s have a bad habit of going missing when we need them most (I'd include Sotutu here too)

                  9s are ok as long as Smith stays injury free .. (Roigrad and Fakatava best back ups on form for me) but far too much expectation on them with the problems outside them.

                  Biggest concern is 10 - on current form there is no 10 that seems to consistently manage a game properly - all of them have an obsession of kicking too much attacking ball away - you just do not see the likes of Ireland, France or even the Boks take such low percentage options. Basically we need one of the established 10s to suddenly rediscover their best form which appears to be way behind them. Dmac best of bunch currently

                  12, 13 no established combo and what we do have is a couple of players that are at best, rocks and diamonds but are too often found wanting on defence and lack the ability to regularly put their outsides or supporting players in space.

                  Wings and Fullbacks just living off scraps currently

                  Tactics in general seem to be poor and its very much the equivalent of 20/20 cricket - EG we go for the speculator option way too often rather than building pressure by maintaining possession and field position - a real lack of leadership from our 10s, captains and coaching groups.

                  Only positives I see currently is that we will be coming in under the radar and no players are peaking early.

                  Blackadder at 6 is the right call. For work rate alone.

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                  @Steve sorry Blackadder won't b at cup unless injuries sway the balance of the squad

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                    @Steve sorry Blackadder won't b at cup unless injuries sway the balance of the squad

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                    @george33 said in All Blacks 2023:

                    @Steve sorry Blackadder won't b at cup unless injuries sway the balance of the squad

                    who will they take at 6 then?

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                      @george33 said in All Blacks 2023:

                      @Steve sorry Blackadder won't b at cup unless injuries sway the balance of the squad

                      who will they take at 6 then?

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                      @nostrildamus they want size 3 guys mentioned at this stage

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                        @nostrildamus they want size 3 guys mentioned at this stage

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                        @george33 said in All Blacks 2023:

                        @nostrildamus they want size 3 guys mentioned at this stage

                        Size 3 guys? Even my wife is bigger than that! I guess you mean they want 3 bigger/taller 6s?

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                          @george33 said in All Blacks 2023:

                          @nostrildamus they want size 3 guys mentioned at this stage

                          Size 3 guys? Even my wife is bigger than that! I guess you mean they want 3 bigger/taller 6s?

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                          @nostrildamus yes true

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                            I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

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                              I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

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                              @KiwiMurph u could b right leave it at that

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                                I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

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                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:

                                I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

                                Id say his name is already in the squad. He seems to have a great attitude. I always know he is playing in the game unlike Akira and Shannon.

                                He has Allblack written all over him. He just IS an Allblack.

                                I remember Will Greenwood waxing lyrical about him on UK TV two years ago. Apparently behind the scenes he is rated seriously highly.

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                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

                                  Id say his name is already in the squad. He seems to have a great attitude. I always know he is playing in the game unlike Akira and Shannon.

                                  He has Allblack written all over him. He just IS an Allblack.

                                  I remember Will Greenwood waxing lyrical about him on UK TV two years ago. Apparently behind the scenes he is rated seriously highly.

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                                  @Steve said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  I would say with Ryan as forwards coach and Blackadder already having played under Foster that he is well in the mix

                                  Id say his name is already in the squad. He seems to have a great attitude. I always know he is playing in the game unlike Akira and Shannon.

                                  He has Allblack written all over him. He just IS an Allblack.

                                  I remember Will Greenwood waxing lyrical about him on UK TV two years ago. Apparently behind the scenes he is rated seriously highly.

                                  The thing is, if Ardie is playing (and he will be) I am sure Foster and co want a taller 6 or 7. Even with DP at 7, I'm fairly sure they'll want a taller lineout option at 6. That probably means SB I guess. Maybe SF.

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                                    How things have changed in less than a year, as far as TH props are concerned.
                                    In June 2022, Laulala, Ta'avao and Ofa T were viewed as the best options for the All Blacks, with Newell a possible bolter.
                                    Now, the in form THP is undoubtedly Lomax, followed by Ainsley and Williams.
                                    Who will be the three THPs for the RWC ?

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                                      How things have changed in less than a year, as far as TH props are concerned.
                                      In June 2022, Laulala, Ta'avao and Ofa T were viewed as the best options for the All Blacks, with Newell a possible bolter.
                                      Now, the in form THP is undoubtedly Lomax, followed by Ainsley and Williams.
                                      Who will be the three THPs for the RWC ?

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                                      @cgrant Laulala is playing some of the best rugby of his career. Williams has done what?

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                                        @cgrant Laulala is playing some of the best rugby of his career. Williams has done what?

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                                        @Tim Like you not sure quite what Williams has done as yet. Got potetntial,and think he will be good, but struggling to see him as in top bunch just yet. I think we see the size etc and get a little excited.

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                                          @cgrant Laulala is playing some of the best rugby of his career. Williams has done what?

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                                          @Tim totally agree laulala in best form of his life he'd be my starting tighthead at cup at this stage

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