All Blacks 2023
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I’m a Goldie fan, but he’s taking the Mickey with some of those picks.
Ratima over Roigard? Nah.
Cane still starting at openiside? Not if don’t win the RWC cough cough…
Razor is a fan of Jacobsen but I reckon they’ll find a place for DP and Blackadder.
Tight 5 looks pretty good.
Yeah, not saying I agree with Goldies picks, but I think you (and the panel) missed what the selection was, a team for 2024 picked on form so far rhis season, why I couldn't understand the what about Jordan etc. It wasn't supposed to be who Razor would pick, but on form so far this season Balckadder has hardly played, and Cane has been best 7,and WC hasn't been played. so no good rubbishing team fro wrong reasons.
The panel may have, but I don’t think Ratima has played better than Roigard this SR season.
Cane has had one decent game (last weekend) and yet Blackadder has been a standout when selected. DP was below his best last weekend but had been excellent the other weeks.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I’m a Goldie fan, but he’s taking the Mickey with some of those picks.
Ratima over Roigard? Nah.
Cane still starting at openiside? Not if don’t win the RWC cough cough…
Razor is a fan of Jacobsen but I reckon they’ll find a place for DP and Blackadder.
Tight 5 looks pretty good.
Yeah, not saying I agree with Goldies picks, but I think you (and the panel) missed what the selection was, a team for 2024 picked on form so far rhis season, why I couldn't understand the what about Jordan etc. It wasn't supposed to be who Razor would pick, but on form so far this season Balckadder has hardly played, and Cane has been best 7,and WC hasn't been played. so no good rubbishing team fro wrong reasons.
The panel may have, but I don’t think Ratima has played better than Roigard this SR season.
Cane has had one decent game (last weekend) and yet Blackadder has been a standout when selected. DP was below his best last weekend but had been excellent the other weeks.
Cane has had more than one decent game.
Defence and tackle % are a big reason Chiefs are topping the table at the moment. Cane is setting a high example. His tackles are mostly stopping players making the advantage line as well.
He is playing well. Better than one game.
I like Blackadder's play as well. Hopefully energy is being well spent these days. He has a tendency of being really busy but not as effective. Flankers improve with age as far as making themselves look like they aren't racing around like a fly in a jar. -
@bayimports Going by that article sounds like Razor may have his eye on more than one in the NRL as they move to improve depth from 2024.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports Going by that article sounds like Razor may have his eye on more than one in the NRL as they move to improve depth from 2024.
and he might, there are a few kiwis floating around playing different roles, he would be silly not to evaluate them and to be clear I never have suggested he shouldn't. I just dont think Kotoa is realistically one who will switch
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C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
@Stargazer St George have a Fijian Winger who went through the Crusader's system, think his name is Mikaela Ravalawa.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I’m a Goldie fan, but he’s taking the Mickey with some of those picks.
Ratima over Roigard? Nah.
Cane still starting at openiside? Not if don’t win the RWC cough cough…
Razor is a fan of Jacobsen but I reckon they’ll find a place for DP and Blackadder.
Tight 5 looks pretty good.
Yeah, not saying I agree with Goldies picks, but I think you (and the panel) missed what the selection was, a team for 2024 picked on form so far rhis season, why I couldn't understand the what about Jordan etc. It wasn't supposed to be who Razor would pick, but on form so far this season Balckadder has hardly played, and Cane has been best 7,and WC hasn't been played. so no good rubbishing team fro wrong reasons.
The panel may have, but I don’t think Ratima has played better than Roigard this SR season.
Cane has had one decent game (last weekend) and yet Blackadder has been a standout when selected. DP was below his best last weekend but had been excellent the other weeks.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
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@Stargazer St George have a Fijian Winger who went through the Crusader's system, think his name is Mikaela Ravalawa.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
more so than scrums in recent years.
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@SBW1 Yes went to Burnside. He's nothing special.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
Gardiner is really a 6, only covering at Lock with all the injuries,
On the AB XV tour at the end of last season he played 6.
He may come to be and option at 6 he is big enough. -
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
Homesick, mental health, hey presto he's back in NZ playing rugby!
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C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
@Stargazer Valance Te Whare is one they will be watching too I think when he makes his debut
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
Gardiner is really a 6, only covering at Lock with all the injuries,
On the AB XV tour at the end of last season he played 6.
He may come to be and option at 6 he is big enough. -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
Homesick, mental health, hey presto he's back in NZ playing rugby!
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
C'mon Razor, bring back Leo Thompson! Make the opposition see double! He was an excellent 12 at school, U19 & U20 level. Still contracted to the Knights for a few years though.
Homesick, mental health, hey presto he's back in NZ playing rugby!
just do a SBW right?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
Cane has had one decent game
you're my boy and all, but this is clearly bullshit, he's the form 7 of the comp.
I like Blackadder, especially his complete disregard for his health. My concern with sticking him to our trio at 6 is we are then sort of landed with 3 dudes all about the same proportions. Lineouts matter quite a lot, especially at test level.
Yeah - with Ardie nailed in at 8, we've got to have a genuine lineout option (and some bulk) at 6.
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy.
Blackadder is a great bench and squaddie option because he can play all three loose forward positions competently.
TJ suggesting Dom Gardiner is potentially a future lock or 6 for the ABs - too small to be an international lock, TJ. Too small even for a Super rugby lock, really - as the Reds showed last week.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy
yep, as much as i hate it, but he's what they need given the others. He's not quick, but he's bulky, hits rucks, and is a good lineout target.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2023:
I’m a Goldie fan, but he’s taking the Mickey with some of those picks.
Ratima over Roigard? Nah.
Cane still starting at openiside? Not if don’t win the RWC cough cough…
Razor is a fan of Jacobsen but I reckon they’ll find a place for DP and Blackadder.
Tight 5 looks pretty good.
Yeah, not saying I agree with Goldies picks, but I think you (and the panel) missed what the selection was, a team for 2024 picked on form so far rhis season, why I couldn't understand the what about Jordan etc. It wasn't supposed to be who Razor would pick, but on form so far this season Balckadder has hardly played, and Cane has been best 7,and WC hasn't been played. so no good rubbishing team fro wrong reasons.
The panel may have, but I don’t think Ratima has played better than Roigard this SR season.
Cane has had one decent game (last weekend) and yet Blackadder has been a standout when selected. DP was below his best last weekend but had been excellent the other weeks.
@ACT-Crusader Yep well I think it just our opinions, I personally think Cane has been best 7 in NZ teams so far this year (and ahead of DP), and has been bloody good whenever he on field, I a Blackadder fan (have been sice he a youg fella at Ta$man) but he hasn't played bugger all this year.
Also agree about Roigard, but as I say just opinions, and rspect you see things differently. I also say with DP,Cane, even RMo,BB etc who have been not great, I npt really picking players for future in fisrt part of super anyway. -
Peter O'Mahony is 1.91 m, and he is used regularly as a lineout option for Ireland. There are plenty of 6s in NZ of a similar height. As a comparison, Papalii is taller (1.93 m). It's how you use them as jumpers as much as their height.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
Peter O'Mahony is 1.91 m, and he is used regularly as a lineout option for Ireland. There are plenty of 6s in NZ of a similar height. As a comparison, Papalii is taller (1.93 m). It's how you use them as jumpers as much as their height.
No matter how well drilled they are - Snow White and the seven dwarves are going to get picked off by elite line-outs!
I want three tall options AND well drilled!
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@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports he’s 19 years old with a shit team around him including no experienced halves. He was great in the World Cup for Tonga when he was 18 or 19?
He was school sports captain, dux etc. Came through the Panthers system but they have Cleary and Luai.
If it’s taking a punt on Katoa or picking Mitch Hunt for the All Blacks I know who I’d go for
Really the team beaten by Samoa in their only game that counted in a game they were favourites for?, just out of curiosity, what position do you expect him to play? 10?
who was the last half that successfully transitioned in any country at the top level? (without using the line, he would have success because he would be trans)Look he is young and has talent but I still call BS on future AB. Im sure NZ rugby would say, never say never, I just don't see this happening
I reckon 12 would be his position, more specifically as a 2nd 5/8 rather than inside centre if you get my drift. I stand corrected but he is a 6 in league isn't he? A 6 in league tends to play like a 2nd 5/8 in union.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports said in All Blacks 2023:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2023:
@bayimports he’s 19 years old with a shit team around him including no experienced halves. He was great in the World Cup for Tonga when he was 18 or 19?
He was school sports captain, dux etc. Came through the Panthers system but they have Cleary and Luai.
If it’s taking a punt on Katoa or picking Mitch Hunt for the All Blacks I know who I’d go for
Really the team beaten by Samoa in their only game that counted in a game they were favourites for?, just out of curiosity, what position do you expect him to play? 10?
who was the last half that successfully transitioned in any country at the top level? (without using the line, he would have success because he would be trans)Look he is young and has talent but I still call BS on future AB. Im sure NZ rugby would say, never say never, I just don't see this happening
I reckon 12 would be his position, more specifically as a 2nd 5/8 rather than inside centre if you get my drift. I stand corrected but he is a 6 in league isn't he? A 6 in league tends to play like a 2nd 5/8 in union.
Yeah but what was SBW? He was a 6 initially in union so maybe that didn't help his later role at 12 but I'd argue even from league to union he and RTS didn't / don't have complete 12 skills/vision, but then again we don't seem have much longterm depth in complete all-round skilled 12s, since later Nonu I guess. Who was also arguably more an inside centre than a classic 2nd five.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy
yep, as much as i hate it, but he's what they need given the others. He's not quick, but he's bulky, hits rucks, and is a good lineout target.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I reckon they'll plan to play SBarrett at 6, with Frizell or maybe Akira as his deputy
yep, as much as i hate it, but he's what they need given the others. He's not quick, but he's bulky, hits rucks, and is a good lineout target.
His try saving tackle on Stuart Hogg last year was superb.
