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@pakman 100%. I suggest we stop or remove funding for all gender affirming surgery and cross sex hormones immediately. US, UK, New Zealand etc. No more transes, no more transgender problems. Call me a transphobes but a lack of common sense has just gone far too far, and now it's affecting our kids
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@broughie said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
What do these guys think is going to happen if they answer "adult human female"?
Are they genuinely that scared of <1% of their voting base?
He’s been trying to portray himself as “Chippy from the block “ a down to earth working class boy from the hutt who’s focused on bread and butter issues .
It only took one question to remind everyone he’s a career politician who’s completely immersed in politics and utterly out of touch with the general population.Massive , massive own goal on his part .
Well if that is a working class boy from the Hutt is then they all must be pussies. Can I say that?
You can say that, not many of us work anyway.
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I caught some Ben Shapiro on YT. Not a fan of him, but pretty much agree with his ideas on this subject:
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Human mammalian biology is immutable. A male cannot give birth. The existence of a minute number of intersex people does not prove people can change sex or be two sexes at once. No human being can self-reproduce.
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There is a wide continuum of femininity and masculine characteristics in males and females (which presents in may ways) but that does not mean a man is a woman or a woman is a man.
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Children and teenagers go thru hormonal changes and become confused about sex and their gender characteristics. This is normal. It is wrong and immoral to allow them to be subjected to life-changing treatment while they are not yet adults nor fully aware of their sexuality
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Gender dysphoria is real, causes suffering and can result in self-harm and suicide. People suffering from it should be treated with respect, dignity, courtesy and helped as much as possible. If transitioning works, then all power to them - society should accommodate to the best of its ability while respecting the rights of others
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We need to safeguard society from those using the problems of people impacted by gender dysphoria to deprive males and females of their rights as men and women
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Great example of freedom of speech and not prepared to listen to common sense
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It's like watching an episode of 'The Thick Of It'
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Whenever I see multi-national companies getting on to some idealistic bandwagon I am always reminded of this:
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@MN5 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I cant believe people bought Bud light in the first place to be fair
Light beer is for people that secretly enjoying weeing a lot imho . Best take I’ve seen is “ water pretending to be beer is being marketed by a man pretending to be a woman “.
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I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?Also, it’s still 4% beer right?
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@voodoo I totally agree.
If people are that pissed off about the ad they are boycotting the products, then perhaps the activists have points. Society is genuinely against the trans community.
I doubt it. I suspect that Twitter user is just an agenda driven dickhead.
I’m totally of the Shapiro views on this. And I highly doubt he would stop drinking bud on the back of this.
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?Also, it’s still 4% beer right?
I didn’t post the tweet @booboo did, I quoted it. I’ve been boycotting Budweiser for about 30 years because I thought it was shit the one time I tried so this makes zero difference to my life. I usually drink Heineken and they unfortunately have all kinds of cringe woke ads , it still tastes ok though.
Dunno about the percentage but light is usually 2.5% here .
Anyway here’s another op Ed about the protests with effectively zero mention of the violence towards women and whining about the real victims on the day being the trans community. It’s weird that the same sort of people who constantly thrashwank about “gaslighting” seem to do this so much .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300850151/the-long-shadow-cast-by-the-posie-parker-show
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@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Whenever I see multi-national companies getting on to some idealistic bandwagon I am always reminded of this:
Appealing to a particular group is the classical explanation for this type of marketing. It explains some of it, but not much IMO
There's also the true believers in the new civil religion that want to spread the word. This will become more common over time.. the universities pump out moral scolds who over time will have more positions of power.
However a lot of what is happening now is because of external pressure
In the early 2000's civil rights groups would target organisations for protests if they didn't reach certain criteria. Maybe a quota for blacks, outreach programs, or maybe they didn't sell enough of their services (particularly banks) to blacks. The protests were damaging for the business and the protests would often have allies in the local government to increase the pressure further.
Luckily the groups had a solution! They also provided consultants and sold courses to solve the problem. This was an ongoing cost of doing business.. a mafia shakedownSo what does that have to do with the Bud ad campaign? Well now there is an equity index that rates companies ( CEI ). It's the same idea just a little more formalised. Purchasing services from grifters becomes a cost of doing business. Politicians of a certain ilk will also target you if you have a low score
In some of the recent examples of companies doing something really 'woke' they had a low CEI score and needed a quick fix
This will continue, and it will increase, unless the cost of the reaction (a boycott hurting the stock) is greater than the cost of compliance. That is not going to happen given given the economic ecosystem that has grown out of this and the political power that it generates
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it
Bent Spoke could have Vladimir Putin as a majority shareholder and be entirely staffed by literal slave labour
And i would still pick up 4-packs of Crankshaft on a weekly basis.
I don't care where my Jordans are made, and i want beer that tastes awesome
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?Also, it’s still 4% beer right?
The really weird stuff with that Mulvaney person is him advertising women's products like tampons and sports bras. Very bizarre advertising strategy.
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Very bizarre advertising strategy.
Which is why I lean towards reasons that don't have anything to do with marketing. True believers and/or external pressure (CEI/ESG)
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@Duluth said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Very bizarre advertising strategy.
Which is why I lean towards reasons that don't have anything to do with marketing. True believers and/or external pressure (CEI/ESG)
Agreed, there must be a tipping point though . If your business really starts to suffer and your competitors are able to take market share eventually you have to abandon this.
Lee Fang did a great article about this pointing out a private prison has a higher esg than Tesla because it has DEI policies in place and posters about it all over the place .
Edit, found it https://theintercept.com/2022/06/27/esg-funds-corporate-responsibility-dei/
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@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?Also, it’s still 4% beer right?
The really weird stuff with that Mulvaney person is him advertising women's products like tampons and sports bras. Very bizarre advertising strategy.
He’s not advertising tampons. He says he carries them around in case he’s ever in a woman’s toilet and a women doesn’t have one.
Nike Sports bras , bud lite and something called oil of Olay have Mulvany in their ads .
If you’re still buying Nike despite them using sweatshops, child labour and borderline slavery wasn’t enough to stop you from buying nike I doubt this will .
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