Transgender debate, in sport, in general

paremata

@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@paremata

I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?

Also, it’s still 4% beer right?

I didn’t post the tweet @booboo did, I quoted it. I’ve been boycotting Budweiser for about 30 years because I thought it was shit the one time I tried so this makes zero difference to my life. I usually drink Heineken and they unfortunately have all kinds of cringe woke ads , it still tastes ok though.

Dunno about the percentage but light is usually 2.5% here .

Anyway here’s another op Ed about the protests with effectively zero mention of the violence towards women and whining about the real victims on the day being the trans community. It’s weird that the same sort of people who constantly thrashwank about “gaslighting” seem to do this so much .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300850151/the-long-shadow-cast-by-the-posie-parker-show

Duluth

@Catogrande said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@MiketheSnow

Whenever I see multi-national companies getting on to some idealistic bandwagon I am always reminded of this:

Appealing to a particular group is the classical explanation for this type of marketing. It explains some of it, but not much IMO

There's also the true believers in the new civil religion that want to spread the word. This will become more common over time.. the universities pump out moral scolds who over time will have more positions of power.

However a lot of what is happening now is because of external pressure

In the early 2000's civil rights groups would target organisations for protests if they didn't reach certain criteria. Maybe a quota for blacks, outreach programs, or maybe they didn't sell enough of their services (particularly banks) to blacks. The protests were damaging for the business and the protests would often have allies in the local government to increase the pressure further.
Luckily the groups had a solution! They also provided consultants and sold courses to solve the problem. This was an ongoing cost of doing business.. a mafia shakedown

So what does that have to do with the Bud ad campaign? Well now there is an equity index that rates companies ( CEI ). It's the same idea just a little more formalised. Purchasing services from grifters becomes a cost of doing business. Politicians of a certain ilk will also target you if you have a low score

In some of the recent examples of companies doing something really 'woke' they had a low CEI score and needed a quick fix

This will continue, and it will increase, unless the cost of the reaction (a boycott hurting the stock) is greater than the cost of compliance. That is not going to happen given given the economic ecosystem that has grown out of this and the political power that it generates

mariner4life

@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it

Bent Spoke could have Vladimir Putin as a majority shareholder and be entirely staffed by literal slave labour

And i would still pick up 4-packs of Crankshaft on a weekly basis.

I don't care where my Jordans are made, and i want beer that tastes awesome

No Quarter

@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@paremata

I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?

Also, it’s still 4% beer right?

The really weird stuff with that Mulvaney person is him advertising women's products like tampons and sports bras. Very bizarre advertising strategy.

Duluth

@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

Very bizarre advertising strategy.

Which is why I lean towards reasons that don't have anything to do with marketing. True believers and/or external pressure (CEI/ESG)

paremata

@Duluth said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

Very bizarre advertising strategy.

Which is why I lean towards reasons that don't have anything to do with marketing. True believers and/or external pressure (CEI/ESG)

Agreed, there must be a tipping point though . If your business really starts to suffer and your competitors are able to take market share eventually you have to abandon this.

Lee Fang did a great article about this pointing out a private prison has a higher esg than Tesla because it has DEI policies in place and posters about it all over the place .

Edit, found it https://theintercept.com/2022/06/27/esg-funds-corporate-responsibility-dei/

paremata

@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@paremata

I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?

Also, it’s still 4% beer right?

The really weird stuff with that Mulvaney person is him advertising women's products like tampons and sports bras. Very bizarre advertising strategy.

He’s not advertising tampons. He says he carries them around in case he’s ever in a woman’s toilet and a women doesn’t have one.

Nike Sports bras , bud lite and something called oil of Olay have Mulvany in their ads .

If you’re still buying Nike despite them using sweatshops, child labour and borderline slavery wasn’t enough to stop you from buying nike I doubt this will .

MiketheSnow

@No-Quarter said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

@paremata

I’m a little perplexed. I mean, I get the revolt against the woke. I do. But it’s hardly an offensive ad. If I genuinely liked that beer, I sure as fuck wouldn’t stop drinking it because they got that dude to promote it. It’s not the worst ad, it’s hardly admonishing the existing drinkers, it’s just a light hearted stupid ad.
If the the Australian society of slow-cooked lamb shoulders used him/her to promote lamb, I’m not stubborn enough to switch to mutton. Who fucking cares?

Also, it’s still 4% beer right?

The really weird stuff with that Mulvaney person is him advertising women's products like tampons and sports bras. Very bizarre advertising strategy.

I think the Bud Light drinker reaction is based on this cumulative piss take by a grifter

Kruse

@paremata said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:

Dunno about the percentage but light is usually 2.5% here .

Pretty sure in seppo-land... "lite" refers to low-carb, rather than low-booze.
I was at a conference in San Diego years ago... and went for a beer... the barman asked "Lite, yeah?" I said "No - regular... of course". Got chatting with somebody next to me... they found out I was from NZ, and said "yeah - I've seen one other person here ordering the Regular... he was from NZ too."

Victor Meldrew

Interesting conversation on transgender athletes with a family member who's a serious elite runner.

There's a general view in the sport that transgender athletes should be able to compete but not at the expense of other athletes, but also a growing concern about the drugs these people take, whether they are PED's and the long-term impact they might have on those taking them. Real concerns around duty of care liabilities and potential future legal action at the moment from unknown long-term impacts.

MajorRage

I have decided I am now pro the idea of people being a non-binary.

As if I was to force Sam Smith to be a male, then I'd have something in common with it.

pakman

MN5

Is no sport safe from this carnage ????

https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/65280560?at_format=link&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=5232AB7E-DAF0-11ED-B0E0-86543AE5AB7B&at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_bbc_team=editorial&fbclid=IwAR2jGgvt3XKYKhEgtG5G-882skDK78JB3m3WtGE2B2bMf1KJiDmyHz4vUd0

Old Samurai Jack

@MN5 This can't be real Definitely a pisstake. Implications that a man smashes his female opponents in a "mental sport" is too good to be true.

BlueWall_noReds

Ofc

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