Best players in SR this week
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@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
what should be concerning is, maybe only the first 4 blokes there will start for the ABs
Why? The knockout stages of the RWC are in mid to late October. I would expect regular ABs to be on a program to peak then. We’ve seen that in previous years
@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
what should be concerning is, maybe only the first 4 blokes there will start for the ABs
Why? The knockout stages of the RWC are in mid to late October. I would expect regular ABs to be on a program to peak then. We’ve seen that in previous years
i don't subscribe to that way of thinking at all. Good players should be good no matter what. But for some reason in World Cup years NZ rugby fans are cool with our so called Elite talent playing like ass for half the year in the vain hope that it all comes good later on.
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@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
what should be concerning is, maybe only the first 4 blokes there will start for the ABs
Why? The knockout stages of the RWC are in mid to late October. I would expect regular ABs to be on a program to peak then. We’ve seen that in previous years
i don't subscribe to that way of thinking at all. Good players should be good no matter what. But for some reason in World Cup years NZ rugby fans are cool with our so called Elite talent playing like ass for half the year in the vain hope that it all comes good later on.
Are you suggesting their should be no periodisation of training? There should be no plan for the national team to have their players peaking in October? Or are you claiming rugby players should be playing their best from February to October with no dips in form?
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Are you suggesting their should be no periodisation of training? There should be no plan for the national team to have their players peaking in October? Or are you claiming rugby players should be playing their best from February to October with no dips in form?
@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
Are you suggesting their should be no periodisation of training? There should be no plan for the national team to have their players peaking in October? Or are you claiming rugby players should be playing their best from February to October with no dips in form?
i am saying that, if there is a top of the table clash mid-season of Super Rugby, i would expect that the best players show up for it
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
And if you don't agree, then Super Rugby is even more worthless than we initially thought.
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guys out performing incumbent AB's week in week out and not getting a call up because we're sure those incumbent AB's will turn up at the big show has to be a big issue when it comes to keeping talent in NZ
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@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
Are you suggesting their should be no periodisation of training? There should be no plan for the national team to have their players peaking in October? Or are you claiming rugby players should be playing their best from February to October with no dips in form?
i am saying that, if there is a top of the table clash mid-season of Super Rugby, i would expect that the best players show up for it
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
And if you don't agree, then Super Rugby is even more worthless than we initially thought.
There's been very good performances in the derby games. Even from the losing team, particularly in the close matches.
However I don't expect the ABs to dominate a form xv at this time of the year. There's plenty that would be in a 2nd or 3rd xv and I would expect them to rise up later. We're halfway through the regular SR season or a third the way through the season for ABs
Also not being in the form xv after round 8 is not the same as playing shit. Which seems to be an angle getting pushed
@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
I assume one of those was Ardie? He's also played some very good games already in SR. Who knows what the reason for that game was.. but it isn't a pattern of poor form for him
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@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
Are you suggesting their should be no periodisation of training? There should be no plan for the national team to have their players peaking in October? Or are you claiming rugby players should be playing their best from February to October with no dips in form?
i am saying that, if there is a top of the table clash mid-season of Super Rugby, i would expect that the best players show up for it
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
And if you don't agree, then Super Rugby is even more worthless than we initially thought.
@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
i am saying that, if there is a top of the table clash mid-season of Super Rugby, i would expect that the best players show up for it
we don't know the physical condition or training loads. I think at the elite level you have to know when you're trying to peak, and then work towards that.
And yes, it really does devalue Super. NZR don't treat Super with any respect, why should fans?
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There's been very good performances in the derby games. Even from the losing team, particularly in the close matches.
However I don't expect the ABs to dominate a form xv at this time of the year. There's plenty that would be in a 2nd or 3rd xv and I would expect them to rise up later. We're halfway through the regular SR season or a third the way through the season for ABs
Also not being in the form xv after round 8 is not the same as playing shit. Which seems to be an angle getting pushed
@mariner4life said in Best players in SR this week:
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
I assume one of those was Ardie? He's also played some very good games already in SR. Who knows what the reason for that game was.. but it isn't a pattern of poor form for him
@Duluth said in Best players in SR this week:
unlike two guaranteed starting ABs who were dogshit on Saturday afternoon.
I assume one of those was Ardie? He's also played some very good games already in SR. Who knows what the reason for that game was.. but it isn't a pattern of poor form for him
Both have made teams of the week. And neither were shithouse in this game.
And but for 2-3 fucked up lineouts due in part to idiotic replacements by our coaches (short locks and a shortish back row) and a very poor clearance by Morgan the team could have won. This wouldn't happen with 2 of our ABs playing poorly
Rugbypass gave them a 7 and 7.5 rating. Maybe a bit high but not by much
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A bit off topic but what would be your form team so far (eligible NZ players only) ?
Mine :
De Groot
Taukei'aho
Lomax
Retallick
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Finau
Papali'i
Sotutu
Weber/Roigard
MacKenzie
Fainganu'uku
T. Umaga Jensen
Aumua
Narawa/Telea
StephensonI could not find a lock to partner BBBR : Whitelock has been sidelined for weeks and Vai'i goes missing sometimes. It's the same with PPP. Maybe the most constant in his performances is Cameron Suafua but he is not a standout either. Bird has been good in his outings but he is not even considered as a starter at the Canes. So who ? Gardiner (he's just a stop gap in the Crusaders team as he is more a 6 than a lock) ? Barrett (pretty anonymous so far) ?
I could not make a choice between Roigard and Weber. The latter is slightly in front because of a bad Roigard's performance from the bench. The same for Telea and Narawa. Both have been outstanding so far.@cgrant said in Best players in SR this week:
Whitelock has been sidelined for weeks and Vai'i goes missing sometimes. It's the same with PPP. Maybe the most constant in his performances is Cameron Suafua but he is not a standout either. Bird has been good in his outings but he is not even considered as a starter at the Canes. So who ? Gardiner (he's just a stop gap in the Crusaders team as he is more a 6 than a lock) ? Barrett (pretty anonymous so far) ?
Is two games good enough to make a form xv? My pick would be Darry, he's been excellent since returning from injury. He seems like he's added some quality weight and he's shifting bodies
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A bit off topic but what would be your form team so far (eligible NZ players only) ?
Mine :
De Groot
Taukei'aho
Lomax
Retallick
?
Finau
Papali'i
Sotutu
Weber/Roigard
MacKenzie
Fainganu'uku
T. Umaga Jensen
Aumua
Narawa/Telea
StephensonI could not find a lock to partner BBBR : Whitelock has been sidelined for weeks and Vai'i goes missing sometimes. It's the same with PPP. Maybe the most constant in his performances is Cameron Suafua but he is not a standout either. Bird has been good in his outings but he is not even considered as a starter at the Canes. So who ? Gardiner (he's just a stop gap in the Crusaders team as he is more a 6 than a lock) ? Barrett (pretty anonymous so far) ?
I could not make a choice between Roigard and Weber. The latter is slightly in front because of a bad Roigard's performance from the bench. The same for Telea and Narawa. Both have been outstanding so far. -
I'm not surprised Jordie was poor on the weekend. He was in between Morgan and a centre who hadn't played rugby in 6 months.
There's plenty of ABs playing well despite not being in form team of the competition; Cane, Weber, Smith, Ennor, Clarke etc.
The likes of Akira and Jordan should be back playing soon (this week?) which will help.
I'm hoping with Rieko's contract issue now behind him his game will flow.
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@cgrant said in Best players in SR this week:
A bit off topic but what would be your form team so far (eligible NZ players only) ?
Mine :
De Groot
Taukei'aho
Lomax
Retallick
?
Finau
Papali'i
Sotutu
Weber/Roigard
MacKenzie
Fainganu'uku
T. Umaga Jensen
Aumua
Narawa/Telea
StephensonOnly one Crusaders player, more Highlanders even, surprisingly.
How come these form teams, or 'team/s of week' rarely ever feature more than a couple of Crusaders while the same people claim a certain coach gets all the best players when he ends up doing yet another headspin around the super rugby trophy.
An interesting dichotomy.
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@cgrant said in Best players in SR this week:
A bit off topic but what would be your form team so far (eligible NZ players only) ?
Mine :
De Groot
Taukei'aho
Lomax
Retallick
?
Finau
Papali'i
Sotutu
Weber/Roigard
MacKenzie
Fainganu'uku
T. Umaga Jensen
Aumua
Narawa/Telea
StephensonOnly one Crusaders player, more Highlanders even, surprisingly.
How come these form teams, or 'team/s of week' rarely ever feature more than a couple of Crusaders while the same people claim a certain coach gets all the best players when he ends up doing yet another headspin around the super rugby trophy.
An interesting dichotomy.
@kiwi_expat is this just a vibe you have or have you actually checked? i feel there are times lots of crusaders would make these teams in the past
edit: picked the super round at random and there are 5 crusaders
random week from last year, 7 crusaders
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@kiwi_expat is this just a vibe you have or have you actually checked? i feel there are times lots of crusaders would make these teams in the past
edit: picked the super round at random and there are 5 crusaders
random week from last year, 7 crusaders
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
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@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
Crusaders having a lot of injuries this season adds to it a lot.
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There was a similar claim this time last year that Crusaders players aren’t rated on TSF so I ran a poll asking how many Crusaders would make their AB 23 (not a prediction of what the selectors would pick)
There is no such thing as a TSF consensus but most people had loads of Crusaders in their 23
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@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
Crusaders having a lot of injuries this season adds to it a lot.
@KiwiMurph said in Best players in SR this week:
@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
Crusaders having a lot of injuries this season adds to it a lot.
also Mo'unga, Jordan and SBarrett normally walk in to these teams, and one hasn't played, the other two are not the form players
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A possible World Cup squad, with the most important players in bold.
Rettalick, Va'ai, Whitelock, Savea, Papali'i, R.Ioane, De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Laulala, Ross, S.Barrett, Clarke, Stevenson, Telea, Fainganu'uku, Lomax, A.Smith, Roigard, Weber, J.Barrett, Taukei'aho, McKenzie, B.Barrett, Mo'unga, Cane, Aumua, Taylor, Jacobson, ALB, Tuipulotu, TUJ, Sotutu, A.Ioane.
Crusaders have not exactly produced the influential 'core' of this All Black team have they?
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@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
Crusaders having a lot of injuries this season adds to it a lot.
@KiwiMurph said in Best players in SR this week:
@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
@Kiwiwomble Nope, was referring to the sentiment on here, as I quoted a ferner's team in my post...
Crusaders having a lot of injuries this season adds to it a lot.
They didn't play this weekend did they? They're doing well if they got players in the team.
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A possible World Cup squad, with the most important players in bold.
Rettalick, Va'ai, Whitelock, Savea, Papali'i, R.Ioane, De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Laulala, Ross, S.Barrett, Clarke, Stevenson, Telea, Fainganu'uku, Lomax, A.Smith, Roigard, Weber, J.Barrett, Taukei'aho, McKenzie, B.Barrett, Mo'unga, Cane, Aumua, Taylor, Jacobson, ALB, Tuipulotu, TUJ, Sotutu, A.Ioane.
Crusaders have not exactly produced the influential 'core' of this All Black team have they?
@kiwi_expat said in Best players in SR this week:
A possible World Cup squad, with the most important players in bold.
Rettalick, Va'ai, Whitelock, Savea, Papali'i, R.Ioane, De Groot, Tu'ungafasi, Laulala, Ross, S.Barrett, Clarke, Stevenson, Telea, Fainganu'uku, Lomax, A.Smith, Roigard, Weber, J.Barrett, Taukei'aho, McKenzie, B.Barrett, Mo'unga, Cane, Aumua, Taylor, Jacobson, ALB, Tuipulotu, TUJ, Sotutu, A.Ioane.
I reckon that 33 is a way off what Foster and co will actually select.
