All Blacks 2023
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2023:
I guess anything but winning the cup will be deemed a failure by his reign.
I wonder if Razor is secretly hoping they lose the WC as it would make his job a little harder taking over the world champions and trying to retain it.First point, Foster's reign, even if he wins the cup is a failure. He has broken too many long-held records of the ABs, once proudly held and never to get back. The ABs under him have been poor and we have seen no real change since late Hansen. Getting the cup would be awesome, but that doesn't wipe out the rest of the results.
Second, no way would Razor wish that, he's a true ABs man - that's pretty low.
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
The ABs under him have been poor and we have seen no real change since late Hansen.
Not sure Hansen would start JB on the wing...
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So, for some reason I can't help but feel weird about the current coaching setup given the saviour is taking over post world cup. How do you think this impacts Fozzie and the current crop? I honestly hope it gives them that extra motivation to say fuck you to all who doubt them or don't believe they are capable. I guess anything but winning the cup will be deemed a failure by his reign.
I wonder if Razor is secretly hoping they lose the WC as it would make his job a little harder taking over the world champions and trying to retain it. Thoughts?
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2023:
So, for some reason I can't help but feel weird about the current coaching setup given the saviour is taking over post world cup. How do you think this impacts Fozzie and the current crop? I honestly hope it gives them that extra motivation to say fuck you to all who doubt them or don't believe they are capable. I guess anything but winning the cup will be deemed a failure by his reign.
I wonder if Razor is secretly hoping they lose the WC as it would make his job a little harder taking over the world champions and trying to retain it. Thoughts?
I think his mindset would be to not waste time worrying about the things he has no control over and focus on the things he can control
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
Thus 'not many', he was specifically mentioned
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
Thus 'not many', he was specifically mentioned
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
Thus 'not many', he was specifically mentioned
This ‘reading the articles’ thing is not the fern way.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
Thus 'not many', he was specifically mentioned
This ‘reading the articles’ thing is not the fern way.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2023:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:
"There are not many success stories among scrumhalves over six feet tall."
Is that a subtle dig at TJP?!
Joost VDW was best 9 I have ever seen.
Thus 'not many', he was specifically mentioned
This ‘reading the articles’ thing is not the fern way.
I hope you don't refer to me, I can't be bothered to make an account but in what I read there was no reference to TJP who is allegedly taller than Roigard. And as an exception that article mentioned the tall English halfback who wasn't to my mind outstanding in that position.
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Current 23 going into the World Cup
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Aidan Ross
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Samisoni Taukeiaho
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George Dyer
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Brodie Retallick
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Tupou Vaa’i
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Samipeni Finau
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Sam Cane
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Luke Jacobson
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Brad Weber
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Dmac
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ENS
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Quinn Tupaea
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ALB
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Emoni Narawa
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Shaun Stevenson
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Tyrone Thompson
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Ollie Norris
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Angus Taavao
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Josh Lord
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PGS
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Cortez Ratima
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Bryn Gatland
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Alex Nankivell
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In all seriousness
Current team (non-injured / out of form)
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Aidan Ross
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Samisoni Taukeiaho
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Tyrell Lomax
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Brodie Retallick
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Sam Whitelock
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Luke Jacobson
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Same Cane
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Ardie Savea
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Aaron Smith
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Dmac
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Mark Talea
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Jordie Barrett
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Reiko Ioane
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Shaun Stevenson
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Beauden Barrett
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Asafo Aumua
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Aidan Ross
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Jermayne Ainsley
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Tupou Vaa’i
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Dalton Papalii
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Cam Roigard
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Stephen Perofeta
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David Havili
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Everyone available
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Ethan De Groot
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Samisoni Taukeiaho
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Fletcher Newell
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Brodie Retallick
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Sam Whitelock
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Luke Jacobson
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Sam Cane
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Ardie Savea
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Aaron Smith
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Dmac
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Reiko Ioane
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Jordie Barrett
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ALB
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Will Jordan
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Beauden Barrett
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Codie Taylor
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Aidan Ross
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Tyrell Lomax
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Scott Barrett
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Tupou Vaa’i
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Dalton Papalii
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Cam Roigard
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Leicester Faninga’anuku
Possible Bolsters
Samipeni Finau
Zarn Sullivan
Shaun Stevenson
Emoni Narawa
Peter Lakai
Dom Gardiner
Tamaiti Williams -
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Everyone available
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Ethan De Groot
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Samisoni Taukeiaho
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Fletcher Newell
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Brodie Retallick
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Sam Whitelock
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Luke Jacobson
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Sam Cane
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Ardie Savea
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Aaron Smith
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Dmac
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Reiko Ioane
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Jordie Barrett
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ALB
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Will Jordan
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Beauden Barrett
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Codie Taylor
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Aidan Ross
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Tyrell Lomax
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Scott Barrett
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Tupou Vaa’i
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Dalton Papalii
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Cam Roigard
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Leicester Faninga’anuku
Possible Bolsters
Samipeni Finau
Zarn Sullivan
Shaun Stevenson
Emoni Narawa
Peter Lakai
Dom Gardiner
Tamaiti Williams@Yeahtheboys I thought Fletcher Newell was out for the season. No mention of Ethan Blackadder who is coming back into some reasonable form from injury.
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Only 2 (at most) of Mo'unga, McKenzie, B.Barrett should be in our 23, or else it throws off the team mix/balance, B.Barrett's value is becoming redundant as already 2 out/out tens & Dmac can also play fullback, not to mention one of our wingers is most certainly going to be a fullback as well...
But sadly we've become accustomed to Foster's unbalanced XV's because he tries so hard to satisfy everyone that he ends up neglecting team balance entirely, playing both Cane & Savea in the starting backrow - having Mo'unga, ALB, Havili, DMac, sideways running, lightweight backs all in the same 23 a few years ago (2021?) without direct ball carriers to square-up the defensive line.
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Only 2 (at most) of Mo'unga, McKenzie, B.Barrett should be in our 23, or else it throws off the team mix/balance, B.Barrett's value is becoming redundant as already 2 out/out tens & Dmac can also play fullback, not to mention one of our wingers is most certainly going to be a fullback as well...
But sadly we've become accustomed to Foster's unbalanced XV's because he tries so hard to satisfy everyone that he ends up neglecting team balance entirely, playing both Cane & Savea in the starting backrow - having Mo'unga, ALB, Havili, DMac, sideways running, lightweight backs all in the same 23 a few years ago (2021?) without direct ball carriers to square-up the defensive line.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2023:
sideways running, lightweight backs all in the same 23 a few years ago (2021?) without direct ball carriers to square-up the defensive line.
Thought that was why he persevered with Clarke and wanted LF Tupaea and Goodhue in the mix as well as Jordie Barrett.
What is wrong with Cane and Savea together if the 6 is a big unit?
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Props
I thought that Ross and Dyer were very good on the weekend. Lomax and Tu'ungufasi were good too. de Groot had a strong game and, as always, scrums well, though may need to up the work rate against NZ teams. Moody was unimpressive. Laulala was playing pretty well (hands aside) before his injury, though I hope we can do better than him.
If five props are in the WC squad, then Tu'ungufasi is a lock. Add Lomax and de Groot, and you have two places left. Ross is probably the form loosehead in NZ, with Williams playing pretty well on the other side of the scrum too. Have doubts about the latter's defence and workrate though. Chiefs ruck work has been noticeably better than Crusaders this year.
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Props
I thought that Ross and Dyer were very good on the weekend. Lomax and Tu'ungufasi were good too. de Groot had a strong game and, as always, scrums well, though may need to up the work rate against NZ teams. Moody was unimpressive. Laulala was playing pretty well (hands aside) before his injury, though I hope we can do better than him.
If five props are in the WC squad, then Tu'ungufasi is a lock. Add Lomax and de Groot, and you have two places left. Ross is probably the form loosehead in NZ, with Williams playing pretty well on the other side of the scrum too. Have doubts about the latter's defence and workrate though. Chiefs ruck work has been noticeably better than Crusaders this year.
@Tim A year or so too early for Williams I think. Moody is playing OK and having a grizzled old experienced prop backing up de Groot is common sense I think. His impact in the mauls and lineout drives might be just what is required in a knockout game.
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Any thoughts on WC squad make-up? With Beauden Barrett, DMac, and Jordie Barrett (plus Mo'unga) in the squad, you probably only need to take 4 back-three players. With the mandatory 3x halfbacks and hookers, that would leave 5 props, 4 locks, 6 loose forwards, and 4 midfield backs.
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Not for me.
I like my Allblack 15 to be a prolific try scorer from the back.
Will Jordan or Stevenson.
Teams need to be punished for kicking it to us.
Beaudy is gun shy now.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
Not for me.
I like my Allblack 15 to be a prolific try scorer from the back.
Will Jordan or Stevenson.
Teams need to be punished for kicking it to us.
Beaudy is gun shy now.
I agree. BB barely rates as a squad player right now. But Fozz will take him for his experience
